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Jun 12, 2023

Configuring remote authentication fallback on BIG-IP systems does still not work!

Hi all, According to https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432 local user authentication should work even when remote server (in my example Windows AD) is still reachable (fallback option enabled...
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Once you figure out how to differentiate between the two sets of users, you can insert a session cookie in responses to track when a user has been assigned to one pool or another. On requests you can look for that cookie value to get them back to the same pool. You wouldn't need to use the persist command for this.

 

 

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    You are right, BUT according to the article (see 2nd bullet point in red) below it should still be possible to use local accounts.

    https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432

    You should consider using this procedure when your BIG-IP system is configured for remote authentication for BIG-IP system users.

    • You want a local users to be able to access the BIG-IP system when the remote authentication server is unavailable.
    • You want a local users to be able to access to the BIG-IP system when the users are locally configured on the BIG-IP and are not configured on the remote authentication server.

    So it could be that this fallback feautre works as expectetd but than this article is a bit missleading...

    Regards

    Lukas

     

     

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      You're right, it's a little misleading.

      What the bullet point refers to (I believe), is that this configuration supports users that CAN access the unit, and AREN'T configured on the remote server. BUT, those will ONLY work when TACACS is not reacheable, which will be the failback scenario.

      Without failback enabled, local users WILL NOT work, even if TACACS is down, and this is the difference that the BP wants to highlight.

      For local users to work when TACACS is up, I'm pretty sure you need to map them in the auth server.

      ( thrillseeker I have edited the comment a couple times, I'm tagging you so it triggers a notification and I'm sure you don't miss latest update )

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I have a single VIP that will have two types of users. I don't want to define URLs for both so I'd like to use the PERSIST functionality, but only to keep a session going to the same pool, and not specifically to a single node of the pool.

 

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Documentation on PERSIST seems to show it's to a node only without any option to have pool persistence instead of node persistence.

 

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Ideas?

 

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One thought I had was to use standard PERSIST, but then try to split the persist lookup result and take only the pool name part and then set the pool after the persist statement in order to force it to the pool and not just one node. Would this work?

 

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Are there any examples online or can someone share? Maybe this isn't even possible...let me know!

 

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Thanks!

 

 

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I have a single VIP that will have two types of users. I don't want to define URLs for both so I'd like to use the PERSIST functionality, but only to keep a session going to the same pool, and not specifically to a single node of the pool.

 

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Documentation on PERSIST seems to show it's to a node only without any option to have pool persistence instead of node persistence.

 

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Ideas?

 

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One thought I had was to use standard PERSIST, but then try to split the persist lookup result and take only the pool name part and then set the pool after the persist statement in order to force it to the pool and not just one node. Would this work?

 

\n

 

Are there any examples online or can someone share? Maybe this isn't even possible...let me know!

 

\n

 

Thanks!

 

 

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