Configuring remote authentication fallback on BIG-IP systems does still not work!
Hi all, According to https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432 local user authentication should work even when remote server (in my example Windows AD) is still reachable (fallback option enabled...
In our situation we need to give some local users readonly access to the BIGIP system. Unfortunately having those users in the same external userdirectory is currently not an viable option. For me it seems that this 2nd bullet point isn't realy correct!
You should understand that authentication fallback triggers when the AAA server is unavailable.
As far as I know, local users can't access the system if you configure -for example- TACACS authentication, unless the TACACS server is unreachable by F5 - that's why they named it "failback". Unless, an user with the same name is configured in the TACACS server.
From same article:
User type
Fallback option de-selected (default)
Fallback option selected
Local, without remote counterpart
Unable to access the device.
Access the device using SSH public-key authentication.
Access the device using local device authentication when remote authentication server is unavailable.
You should consider using this procedure when your BIG-IP system is configured for remote authentication for BIG-IP system users.
You want a local users to be able to access the BIG-IP system when the remote authentication server is unavailable.
You want a local users to be able to access to the BIG-IP system when theusers are locally configuredon the BIG-IPand are not configured on the remote authentication server.
So it could be that this fallback feautre works as expectetd but than this article is a bit missleading...
What the bullet point refers to (I believe), is that this configuration supports users that CAN access the unit, and AREN'T configured on the remote server. BUT, those will ONLY work when TACACS is not reacheable, which will be the failback scenario.
Without failback enabled, local users WILL NOT work, even if TACACS is down, and this is the difference that the BP wants to highlight.
For local users to work when TACACS is up, I'm pretty sure you need to map them in the auth server.
( thrillseeker I have edited the comment a couple times, I'm tagging you so it triggers a notification and I'm sure you don't miss latest update )
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remote authentication fallback on BIG-IP systems does still not work!","id":"message:316760","entityType":"FORUM_TOPIC","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:316760","revisionNum":2,"repliesCount":8,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:191818"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:316760"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:316760"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":" Hi all, According to https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432 local user authentication should work even when remote server (in my example Windows AD) is still reachable (fallback option enabled...","body@stringLength":"1630","rawBody":"
Hi all,
According to https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432 local user authentication should work even when remote server (in my example Windows AD) is still reachable (fallback option enabled). See 2nd bullet point from the article below:
You should consider using this procedure when your BIG-IP system is configured for remote authentication for BIG-IP system users.
You want a local users to be able to access the BIG-IP system when the remote authentication server is unavailable.
You want a local users to be able to access to the BIG-IP system when the users are locally configured on the BIG-IP and are not configured on the remote authentication server.
You want local or remote users to access to the BIG-IP system through SSH using SSH public key authentication.
After enabling the fallback option in remote authentication settings (yes I'm using BIG-IP version 16.1.3.x already) I'm still not able to login with local user (in my case a readonly user)! In our situation we need to give some local users readonly access to the BIGIP system. Unfortunately having those users in the same external userdirectory is currently not an viable option. For me it seems that this 2nd bullet point isn't realy correct!
Is anyboday aware of an other solution or workaround at least? Thanks & Regards
According to https://my.f5.com/manage/s/article/K67025432 local user authentication should work even when remote server (in my example Windows AD) is still reachable (fallback option enabled). See 2nd bullet point from the article below:
You should consider using this procedure when your BIG-IP system is configured for remote authentication for BIG-IP system users.
You want a local users to be able to access the BIG-IP system when the remote authentication server is unavailable.
You want a local users to be able to access to the BIG-IP system when the users are locally configured on the BIG-IP and are not configured on the remote authentication server.
You want local or remote users to access to the BIG-IP system through SSH using SSH public key authentication.
After enabling the fallback option in remote authentication settings (yes I'm using BIG-IP version 16.1.3.x already) I'm still not able to login with local user (in my case a readonly user)! In our situation we need to give some local users readonly access to the BIGIP system. Unfortunately having those users in the same external userdirectory is currently not an viable option. For me it seems that this 2nd bullet point isn't realy correct!
Is anyboday aware of an other solution or workaround at least? Thanks & Regards
Thrillseeker
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In our situation we need to give some local users readonly access to the BIGIP system. Unfortunately having those users in the same external userdirectory is currently not an viable option. For me it seems that this 2nd bullet point isn't realy correct!
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You should understand that authentication fallback triggers when the AAA server is unavailable.
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As far as I know, local users can't access the system if you configure -for example- TACACS authentication, unless the TACACS server is unreachable by F5 - that's why they named it \"failback\". Unless, an user with the same name is configured in the TACACS server.
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From same article:
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Fallback option de-selected (default)
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Fallback option selected
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Local, without remote counterpart
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Unable to access the device.
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Access the device using SSH public-key authentication.
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Access the device using local device authentication when remote authentication server is unavailable.
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wrote:\n
In our situation we need to give some local users readonly access to the BIGIP system. Unfortunately having those users in the same external userdirectory is currently not an viable option. For me it seems that this 2nd bullet point isn't realy correct!
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You should understand that authentication fallback triggers when the AAA server is unavailable.
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As far as I know, local users can't access the system if you configure -for example- TACACS authentication, unless the TACACS server is unreachable by F5 - that's why they named it \"failback\". Unless, an user with the same name is configured in the TACACS server.
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From same article:
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User type
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Fallback option de-selected (default)
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Fallback option selected
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Local, without remote counterpart
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Unable to access the device.
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Access the device using SSH public-key authentication.
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Access the device using local device authentication when remote authentication server is unavailable.
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You are right, BUT according to the article (see 2nd bullet point in red) below it should still be possible to use local accounts.
You should consider using this procedure when your BIG-IP system is configured for remote authentication for BIG-IP system users.
You want a local users to be able to access the BIG-IP system when the remote authentication server is unavailable.
You want a local users to be able to access to the BIG-IP system when theusers are locally configuredon the BIG-IPand are not configured on the remote authentication server.
So it could be that this fallback feautre works as expectetd but than this article is a bit missleading...
Regards
Lukas
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You're right, it's a little misleading.
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What the bullet point refers to (I believe), is that this configuration supports users that CAN access the unit, and AREN'T configured on the remote server. BUT, those will ONLY work when TACACS is not reacheable, which will be the failback scenario.
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Without failback enabled, local users WILL NOT work, even if TACACS is down, and this is the difference that the BP wants to highlight.
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For local users to work when TACACS is up, I'm pretty sure you need to map them in the auth server.
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( thrillseeker I have edited the comment a couple times, I'm tagging you so it triggers a notification and I'm sure you don't miss latest update )
Nimbostratus
MVP
thrillseeker
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