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Jan 24, 2024

dual stack IPSec tunnels

Greetings,

I would like to verify if it is possible with F5 BIG-IP to create a route based IPSec tunnel that supports IPv4 and IPv6 traffic within a single IPSec tunnel.

this case scenario would be a single IPSec tunnel between a 3rd party device and F5 that terminates/is established via IPv6 but needs to be able to carry *both* IPv6 and IPv4 routes.

I can provide more details on what is and is not working for me thus far if it's shown that F5 does support this type of IPSec tunnel configuration.

thanks!

-ryan

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      Prakin
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      Hi,

      sync-failover and manual sync

       

      • Hello,

        I think that's why you see "changes pending state" because any change you will make on the F5, you must sync manually. If you need to avoid this message, you can change the syncing mode to automatic instead of manual.

        Thanks,

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Hi,

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Let me clarify an important point here - VNFM is an orchestrator which does autoscaling of PEM nodes, normally based on current CPU load. That is native HTTP in VNFM, but is not the PEM module performing the HTTP.

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Within PEM, there is a subscriber database which holds the subscriber IP address to user details (MSISDN/IMSI) mapping. That subscriber database is normally populated by receiving DHCP, RADIUS or DIAMETER requests eg Accounting Start/Stop. However, because of the flexibility of BIG-IP, this could be done by incoming HTTP API, regular external sideband requests or suchlike. It would normally be done in the control plane, not based on user plane traffic.

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There is also PCRF support via the Gx interface, which is a mobile service provider function.

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PEM is very scalable and feature-rich, specifically for service provider networks

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After I playing around I know the F5 PEM options (even that the subscriber database now can be used not only by PEM but also F5 AFM, GTM, CGNAT and also the F5 traffic intelligence for application detection can be used now by F5 AFM not only PEM) but the youtube video that is 8 years old got me confused as the video shows PEM triggering HTTP API to autoscale the video servers and I am starting to think that this is a custom implementation with F5 and the vendor and it may use PEM PCC rule with a congestion detection condition and action that triggers something like  HTTP Super SIDEBAND (https://clouddocs.f5.com/api/irules/HTTP-Super-SIDEBAND-Requestor-Client-Handles-Redirects-Cookies-Chunked-Transfer-APM-Access-etc.html ) to send the HTTP API request to the video vendor's automation platform.

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Also I think the F5 VNFM can only autoscale F5 virtual devices (openstack or Vmware) and not  for example the Virtual machines that PEM traffic steers to for video optimization but maybe I am wong.

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Hi Nikolay,

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To answer both points - you are probably correct that this was a specific customised setup. As i'm sure you know, the flexibiliy of BIG-IP means that you can do most things in many different ways. We in Professional Services are often the ones to do those things so we have good experience of creating many and varied bespoke solutions depending on the customer requirements. As a general rule, it is not good to mix data plane and control plane ie to perform control plane scaling operations based on user plane data. A better way would be to create an iCall to regularly check video platform capacity and perform scaling operations.

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Regarding VNFM, it comes with some standard Blueprints ie the network architecture required. This is normally a DAG layer and a Service layer - DAG is fastl4 loadbalancing over Layer 7 Service such as PEM, AWAF etc. This allows simple and scalable scalability. Service layer capacity can be measured using NAGIOS or suchlike, with triggers to scale up or down as required.

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However, because VNF Manager is a fully featured orchestrator in its own right, you can create your own Blueprint or customise an existing one - so you could very easily scale the video platform, router, firewall or any other device which has an API. As with BIG-IP, it is very flexible and scalable so you can create a solution to fit your requirements precisely.

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