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Aug 03, 2012

Details of CARP persistence

Is anyone able to provide more details about the F5 implementation of CARP? There is surprisingly little detail I can find. SOL11362 briefly describes how, but gives no information about what it is doing. There is a link to the IETF draft, but as is mentioned else where in the forum, the BigIP implementation is different.

 

 

SOL11362 currently says it is relevent up to v11.1. Is the site outdated, or is it not applicable to 11.2?

 

 

The example iRule says "persist hash [HTTP::uri]". What does the "persist carp" command do, and why is this not used?

 

 

Is the implementation of CARP equivalent to the Election Hash algorithm? i.e. does it hash the taget string and the node IP and make an LB selection based on the outcome?

 

 

Is the CARP load factor function implemented, eg using the pool member ratio field?

 

 

Is the hash function available to iRules?

 

 

Thanks,

 

Stephen

 

 

 

 

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  • Hi Stephen,

     

     

    Is anyone able to provide more details about the F5 implementation of CARP? There is surprisingly little detail I can find. SOL11362 briefly describes how, but gives no information about what it is doing. There is a link to the IETF draft, but as is mentioned else where in the forum, the BigIP implementation is different.

     

     

    Functionally, the LTM implementation should be the same as the IETF draft. If you need more detail, I suggest opening a case with F5 Support to get more info.

     

     

    SOL11362 currently says it is relevant up to v11.1. Is the site outdated, or is it not applicable to 11.2?

     

     

    It is still relevant for 11.2. I've requested to have SOL11362 updated to include 11.2

     

     

    The example iRule says "persist hash [HTTP::uri]". What does the "persist carp" command do, and why is this not used?

     

     

    I'm not certain how hash and CARP persistence differ. I believe CARP may handle member changes better by only having distribute 1/x connections or requests (where x is the number of members being hashed across).

     

     

    That said, 'persist hash [HTTP::uri]' in the solution is wrong per Spark's post (http://devcentral.f5.com/Default.aspx?tabid=53&view=topic&postid=1167334&ptarget=1145327). It should be 'persist carp $hash_token'. I've requested to have SOL11362 updated to correct this.

     

     

    Is the CARP load factor function implemented, eg using the pool member ratio field?

     

     

    We don't support pool member ratios with CARP in current released versions, but there is a hotfix which you can reference:

     

     

    BZ386769 - Modify CARP persistence to utilize any pool mbr ratio/bias

     

     

    Is the hash function available to iRules?

     

     

    I don't believe so. What is your use case?

     

     

    Aaron
  • I'm also phasing similar issue. I have 4 proxies to loadbalance and each proxy have different hardware. I want to use Ratio node along with election hash persistence is it possible?
  • I'm also phasing similar issue. I have 4 proxies to loadbalance and each proxy have different hardware. I want to use Ratio node along with election hash persistence is it possible?
  • I'm also phasing similar issue. I have 4 proxies to loadbalance and each proxy have different hardware. I want to use Ratio node along with election hash persistence is it possible?
  • I'm also phasing similar issue. I have 4 proxies to loadbalance and each proxy have different hardware. I want to use Ratio node along with election hash persistence is it possible?
  • I have 4 proxies to loadbalance and each proxy have different hardware. I want to use Ratio node along with election hash persistence is it possible?is this what you are looking for?

     

     

    Ratio based load balancing with CARP persistence

     

    Cache Array Routing Protocol (CARP) Persistence now leverages pool member ratio to enhance traffic distribution to heterogeneous server pools. Administrators can direct more traffic to more capable servers. The pool member's ratio is considered when calculating the hash value in the CARP mode of hash persistence.

     

     

    Release Note: BIG-IP LTM and TMOS 11.3.0

     

    http://support.f5.com/kb/en-us/products/big-ip_ltm/releasenotes/product/relnote-ltm-11-3-0.html
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There is surprisingly little detail I can find. SOL11362 briefly describes how, but gives no information about what it is doing. There is a link to the IETF draft, but as is mentioned else where in the forum, the BigIP implementation is different.

 

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SOL11362 currently says it is relevent up to v11.1. Is the site outdated, or is it not applicable to 11.2?

 

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The example iRule says \"persist hash [HTTP::uri]\". What does the \"persist carp\" command do, and why is this not used?

 

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Is the implementation of CARP equivalent to the Election Hash algorithm? i.e. does it hash the taget string and the node IP and make an LB selection based on the outcome?

 

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Is the CARP load factor function implemented, eg using the pool member ratio field?

 

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Is the hash function available to iRules?

 

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Thanks,

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Stephen

 

 

 

 

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SOL11362 currently says it is relevent up to v11.1. Is the site outdated, or is it not applicable to 11.2?

 

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The example iRule says \"persist hash [HTTP::uri]\". What does the \"persist carp\" command do, and why is this not used?

 

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Is the implementation of CARP equivalent to the Election Hash algorithm? i.e. does it hash the taget string and the node IP and make an LB selection based on the outcome?

 

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Is the CARP load factor function implemented, eg using the pool member ratio field?

 

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Is the hash function available to iRules?

 

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Thanks,

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Stephen

 

 

 

 

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Details of CARP persistence","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:228842"},"body":"Hi Stephen,

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Is anyone able to provide more details about the F5 implementation of CARP? There is surprisingly little detail I can find. SOL11362 briefly describes how, but gives no information about what it is doing. There is a link to the IETF draft, but as is mentioned else where in the forum, the BigIP implementation is different.

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Functionally, the LTM implementation should be the same as the IETF draft. If you need more detail, I suggest opening a case with F5 Support to get more info.

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SOL11362 currently says it is relevant up to v11.1. Is the site outdated, or is it not applicable to 11.2?

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It is still relevant for 11.2. I've requested to have SOL11362 updated to include 11.2

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The example iRule says \"persist hash [HTTP::uri]\". What does the \"persist carp\" command do, and why is this not used?

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I'm not certain how hash and CARP persistence differ. I believe CARP may handle member changes better by only having distribute 1/x connections or requests (where x is the number of members being hashed across).

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That said, 'persist hash [HTTP::uri]' in the solution is wrong per Spark's post (http://devcentral.f5.com/Default.aspx?tabid=53&view=topic&postid=1167334&ptarget=1145327). It should be 'persist carp $hash_token'. I've requested to have SOL11362 updated to correct this.

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Is the CARP load factor function implemented, eg using the pool member ratio field?

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We don't support pool member ratios with CARP in current released versions, but there is a hotfix which you can reference:

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BZ386769 - Modify CARP persistence to utilize any pool mbr ratio/bias

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Is the hash function available to iRules?

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I don't believe so. What is your use case?

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Ratio based load balancing with CARP persistence

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Cache Array Routing Protocol (CARP) Persistence now leverages pool member ratio to enhance traffic distribution to heterogeneous server pools. Administrators can direct more traffic to more capable servers. The pool member's ratio is considered when calculating the hash value in the CARP mode of hash persistence.

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Release Note: BIG-IP LTM and TMOS 11.3.0

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