I have a pair of 6400's running 10.2 that I would like to migrate to v11. My concern is that HA configuration has completely changed in v11, and I'm not sure how the upgrade process would handle this...
Since you have “dependencies” on your storage environment, and a requirement of a unique URL per Client.. I really don’t see a good way of getting around a lot of out of the out of the box features you have at your disposal without doing a lot of custom coding..
“ If we fail datacenters the External IP would change” This sounds like external traffic…
Since that is the case, hard to use an iRule at the GTM to key on LDNSs.. You may know the source address, but not the LDNSs..
You know the source addresses… you could do some traffic directing at the LTMs to cut down on actual elements.. but then you would need one VS per DC, and one global URL.. you could then failover en masse, and direct to the proper node on source.. but you would be limited to failing over en masse and not a per host basis, unless of course the two DCs were connected and you could load balance across the two.. hmmm or maybe you could have a “failover url” which would be the DC specific URL.. upon a failure you could issue a redirect to the client to access the other DC… That might be getting messy..
None the less, there are a lot of ways to skin this, and without knowing the requirements 100% this is a tough one..
Your question one on 6400 to Viprion or version 10 to 11? The former is much more straightforward than the latter, which changed the HA. Let me assume you are staying on the same version and doing a platform migration. The config should come through just fine, your HA config would be setup the same but you probably have to reestablish device trust.. absolutely necessary if you change the management IP addresses on the new boxes (gotcha).
Then it would be a change to the network interfaces. These are no longer done on the guests they are on the chassis... edit them out of your configurations and then define your interfaces and VLANs and trunks on the chassis/host, and assign the ones to the guests as needed for the guest. slick.
thanks Brad. sorry for not being clear. i am doing a migration from big ip 8900 on v10 to Viprion on version v11, so both platform change and version change at the same time (my timeline does not allow upgrade the current platform to version 11 and then platform change). any insight would be greatly appreciated :)
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We currently have a dual data centre deployment of Approx 200 Terminal Servers which are are configured in a standard fashion.
By this I mean we have: -
1. Several Virtual Servers on the LTMs accepting client connections
2.GTM redirects end user connections to a virtual server based on the DNS Name
2. Each virtual server has one or more pools of terminal servers.
3. each end user is redirected to the appropriate pool member based on the default pool or Irule.
4. GTM is used to automate the failover between a standby data centre.
We are currently working on a a VMWare based solution. Due to the application requirements we will now need to send end user connections to a specific server. So in effect we will have the following: -
1. The Number of Terminal Servers will increase dramatically from hundreds to thousands.
2. There will be no need for pools as there will now be a one-one mapping between external IP address and terminal server.
3. We will still need to failover the connections en masse. All the Servers will still have the same dependencies (storage, Data centre etc).
It should be possible to address this issue by creating thousands of virtual servers and pools (with a single member in each), But is there a better way of doing this?
For Example, could I use a Network Virtual server and redirect the connections to a node based on the last octet perhaps using an Irule? What I am trying to avoid is creating thousands of Virtual servers without any clear benefit. I would still need to monitor the virtual server availability, so I could trigger an automatic failover using GTM.
Hopefully this makes sense, any thoughts?
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We currently have a dual data centre deployment of Approx 200 Terminal Servers which are are configured in a standard fashion.
By this I mean we have: -
1. Several Virtual Servers on the LTMs accepting client connections
2.GTM redirects end user connections to a virtual server based on the DNS Name
2. Each virtual server has one or more pools of terminal servers.
3. each end user is redirected to the appropriate pool member based on the default pool or Irule.
4. GTM is used to automate the failover between a standby data centre.
We are currently working on a a VMWare based solution. Due to the application requirements we will now need to send end user connections to a specific server. So in effect we will have the following: -
1. The Number of Terminal Servers will increase dramatically from hundreds to thousands.
2. There will be no need for pools as there will now be a one-one mapping between external IP address and terminal server.
3. We will still need to failover the connections en masse. All the Servers will still have the same dependencies (storage, Data centre etc).
It should be possible to address this issue by creating thousands of virtual servers and pools (with a single member in each), But is there a better way of doing this?
For Example, could I use a Network Virtual server and redirect the connections to a node based on the last octet perhaps using an Irule? What I am trying to avoid is creating thousands of Virtual servers without any clear benefit. I would still need to monitor the virtual server availability, so I could trigger an automatic failover using GTM.
Hopefully this makes sense, any thoughts?
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“ If we fail datacenters the External IP would change” This sounds like external traffic…
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Since that is the case, hard to use an iRule at the GTM to key on LDNSs.. You may know the source address, but not the LDNSs..
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You know the source addresses… you could do some traffic directing at the LTMs to cut down on actual elements.. but then you would need one VS per DC, and one global URL.. you could then failover en masse, and direct to the proper node on source.. but you would be limited to failing over en masse and not a per host basis, unless of course the two DCs were connected and you could load balance across the two.. hmmm or maybe you could have a “failover url” which would be the DC specific URL.. upon a failure you could issue a redirect to the client to access the other DC… That might be getting messy..
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None the less, there are a lot of ways to skin this, and without knowing the requirements 100% this is a tough one..
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“ If we fail datacenters the External IP would change” This sounds like external traffic…
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Since that is the case, hard to use an iRule at the GTM to key on LDNSs.. You may know the source address, but not the LDNSs..
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You know the source addresses… you could do some traffic directing at the LTMs to cut down on actual elements.. but then you would need one VS per DC, and one global URL.. you could then failover en masse, and direct to the proper node on source.. but you would be limited to failing over en masse and not a per host basis, unless of course the two DCs were connected and you could load balance across the two.. hmmm or maybe you could have a “failover url” which would be the DC specific URL.. upon a failure you could issue a redirect to the client to access the other DC… That might be getting messy..
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None the less, there are a lot of ways to skin this, and without knowing the requirements 100% this is a tough one..
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