So I have a Virtual F5 Big IP environment, version 11.5. setup to load balance between a few servers. I have two pools and four VIPs for HTTP and HTTPS per pool. I am really new to F5 and have run into an issue where random links throw the user into a redirect loop. This only happens with the F5 in place. Everything is in a virtual environment, except for the client machines accessing the web servers. The web servers have two NICs. One that connects to the F5 and one that connects to a management network. The gateway is set to the F5 on both NICs. I realize this wont be all of the information needed to solve this problem so please feel free to requests specific information and I will provide as much as possible.
I guess the next question would be, what type of redirect loop? HTTP-to-HTTPS-to-HTTP? Redirecting from what to what? What is the relationship of the HTTP and HTTPS VIPs?
Great question. Here's what I understand. Some of the pages are secured, most are not. The initial request comes into the app server, which then redirects unauthenticated sessions to the single-sign on server. Once authenticated, the sessions is directed back at the app server. The current iRule prevents a loop here. However, the second loop is pure http and subsequent loops are inconsistent with the above (first) loop. When back at the app server the client can click a link the moves them to a page in a parallel folder on the app server. For about a dozen links, this throws the client into a loop. Clear as mud?
Can we establish what the redirects actually look like, as in what the redirect is from and to where it is pointing? The easiest way to do that is probably a client side capture tool like Fiddler. And a few additional questions:
Are the redirects from HTTP to HTTPS, or the reverse? Or across different hostnames? Is it redirecting back and forth between two URLs?
Do you have the redirect rewrite option enabled in the HTTP profile?
Do you have any HTTP class or rewrite profiles applied to the VIPs?
Can you elaborate on what happens if you remove the above iRule?
The first redirect is from HTTP (hostname1) to HTTPS (hostname2) to HTTPS (hostname1).
Redirect Rewrite option has been turned on and off in the name of testing. Neither option seems to matter.
The only profile applied is the default HTTP profile. It is applied to ALL VIPs.
Here's the entire process without the iRule:
Enter URL for app server
App server looks for an authenticated session. If not authenticated, app server redirects to single-sign on server.
Single-sign on server authenticates and redirects back to app server. (Loop begins)
App server immediately redirects session back to SSO server, but since session is authenticated on SSO, SSO redirects back to app server.
It remains this way until you refresh the page, then magically, the app server loads a page for the authenticated session.
What is in the request to the app server that indicates the user is authenticated? Is it supposed to be a cookie? Query string? Form POST? Can you determine, from a client side (Fiddler) capture, if that value is getting transmitted correctly to the app server after authentication? What is different in the request to the app server before and after refreshing the page? A new cookie perhaps?
The single-sign on is being handled by the second server (hostname2). I'm not sure about the cookie domain. I'll have to involve one of the developers.
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\nWe have deployed LTM (10.2.1) including APM in our environment. The intention was to use APM with Oracle Access Manager as an External Authentication agent. This requires setting up an AAA server of the Type Oracle Access Manager (OAM) in the APM module.\n
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\nHowever only one AAA server of the type Oracle Access Manager (OAM) is allowed by LTM. In order to maintain the existing High Availability of backend Oracle OAM servers, we have configured a Virtual Server (called OAM_VS) which listens on a self-IP of LTM (and an unused port) as our Oracle AAA server. This Virtual Server has a default pool which contains our two test_ OAM servers as resources.\n
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\nSo far so good, this approach appears to work till now. To the best of my knowledge, it works as follows: when a client tries to reach a backend service which is protected by Oracle Access Manager, It sends an HTTP request to a publicly available IP/Port(which in our caseis mapped to \n\nto an APM-enabled Virtual Server \n\ncalled Public_VS), APM intercepts the traffic and connects to our Virtual Server (OAM_VS) i.e the AAA serverwhich verifies the credentials. \n
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\nNow, the connection between APM and the AAA server appears not to be HTTP and may be encrypted (if configured). What we are trying to achieve is as follows:\n
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In addition to the existing test_ OAM server pool , to configure another pool which contains our two production_ OAM servers as resources.
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\nDepending on the incoming URL to Public_VS , change the default pool of our OAM_VS such that:-\n
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\n\nfor urls belonging to test servers APM will make the Authentication request to the test_ OAM server pool
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\n\nfor urls belonging to production servers APM will make the Authentication request to the production_ OAM server pool
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\n\nEnsure that the traffic related to a particular URL is persisted to the correct back-end pool of the AAA server (OAM_VS)
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\nWe cannot generate an I-rule that works in APM to achieve the above since the process paths on both Virtual servers appear to be unrelated.\n
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\nAn approach which seems promising is to use the TCP function \n\n\n\n\nCLIENT_DATA \n\n\nand parse the first few lines to see if the request coming from APM to our OAM_VS contains a particular url and change the pool using LB:: reselect or similar command to change the default pool on the fly.
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\n\nHowever until now I couldn’t get this to work, I would greatly appreciate any help in this regard.\n\n\n\n\n\n
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\nWe have deployed LTM (10.2.1) including APM in our environment. The intention was to use APM with Oracle Access Manager as an External Authentication agent. This requires setting up an AAA server of the Type Oracle Access Manager (OAM) in the APM module.\n
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\nHowever only one AAA server of the type Oracle Access Manager (OAM) is allowed by LTM. In order to maintain the existing High Availability of backend Oracle OAM servers, we have configured a Virtual Server (called OAM_VS) which listens on a self-IP of LTM (and an unused port) as our Oracle AAA server. This Virtual Server has a default pool which contains our two test_ OAM servers as resources.\n
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\nSo far so good, this approach appears to work till now. To the best of my knowledge, it works as follows: when a client tries to reach a backend service which is protected by Oracle Access Manager, It sends an HTTP request to a publicly available IP/Port(which in our caseis mapped to \n\nto an APM-enabled Virtual Server \n\ncalled Public_VS), APM intercepts the traffic and connects to our Virtual Server (OAM_VS) i.e the AAA serverwhich verifies the credentials. \n
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\nNow, the connection between APM and the AAA server appears not to be HTTP and may be encrypted (if configured). What we are trying to achieve is as follows:\n
\n
In addition to the existing test_ OAM server pool , to configure another pool which contains our two production_ OAM servers as resources.
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\n
\n
\n
\nDepending on the incoming URL to Public_VS , change the default pool of our OAM_VS such that:-\n
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\n\nfor urls belonging to test servers APM will make the Authentication request to the test_ OAM server pool
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\n\nfor urls belonging to production servers APM will make the Authentication request to the production_ OAM server pool
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\n\nEnsure that the traffic related to a particular URL is persisted to the correct back-end pool of the AAA server (OAM_VS)
\n
\nWe cannot generate an I-rule that works in APM to achieve the above since the process paths on both Virtual servers appear to be unrelated.\n
\n
\nAn approach which seems promising is to use the TCP function \n\n\n\n\nCLIENT_DATA \n\n\nand parse the first few lines to see if the request coming from APM to our OAM_VS contains a particular url and change the pool using LB:: reselect or similar command to change the default pool on the fly.
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\n\nHowever until now I couldn’t get this to work, I would greatly appreciate any help in this regard.\n\n\n\n\n\n
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Do any APM experts out there have a cleaner solution?
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when CLIENT_ACCEPTED {
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log \"Client access from [IP::client_addr]\"
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TCP::collect 300
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}
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when CLIENT_DATA {
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log \"OAM request received [TCP::payload 300]\"
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if { [TCP::payload 300] contains \"testService.mycompany.com\" } {
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log \"OAM request contains testService. mycompany.com - using oam_test_pool\"
if { [TCP::payload 300] contains \"swstest.mycompany.com\" } {
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log \"OAM request contains swstest.mycompany.com - using oam_test_pool\"
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pool OAM_TEST_POOL
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}
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TCP::release
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}
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}
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virtual mycomp_oam_vs {
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snat automap
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fallback persist source_addr
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destination xxx.xxx.xxx.101:https
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ip protocol tcp
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rules mycomp_oam_vs_https_checkaccess
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persist mycompany_cookie
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profiles {
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client_https_mycompany_org_profile {
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clientside
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}
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mycompany-oam-access {}
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eam {}
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https_mycompany_org_profile {
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serverside
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}
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tcp {}
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weblogic {}
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websso {}
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}
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}
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virtual oam_test_vs {
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snat automap
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pool OAM_TEST_POOL
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rules oam_mux_request
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destination 192.168.17.13:26021
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ip protocol tcp
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}
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I BELIEVE THAT THE RULE DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE THE TCP CONNECTION TO THE OAM VIRTUAL SERVER IS KEPT OPEN ALL THE TIME AND IS NEVER CLOSED PER TRANSACTION OR ACCESS
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