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Oct 17, 2017

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Hi If my application is not using Apache webserver then is there any need to include the signatures related to the Apache Server?

Let say my app is working on some webserver other than the Apache and I included the signatures named "OTHER WEBSERVER". Is it ok?

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Jad_Tabbara__J1
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Oct 17, 2017
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MSZ,

When building the ASM policy with Attack Signature protection, it is better to determine the following information about the application you intend to protect.

OS
Web Server
Languages, Frameworks & Application
DB Servers

After determining theses information, from the "Attack Signature" screen select the corresponding ones. For example:

OS: Windows
Web Server: IIS
Languages, Frameworks & Application: ASP.NET
DB Servers: MySQL

In this way you will select only Attack Signatures that applies to your application. Doing so will limit the false positive.

Hope it helps

Regards

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There is a ton of good information on this site about finding and using the jsessionID to persist a client connection using the universal inspection engine, and I have found that it works great, in fact I've reused some of it as follows:

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Now when we start talking about SSL, rather than relying on standard client affinity or cookie insert with a timeout value (risk here is if the session is crap the client will continue to persist, when there could be another server available that works), what I would like to do is one of two things:

1. Persist based on the SSL SessionID

2. Persist based on the JSessionID (tried this, with the above rule, and 50% of the time it bounces between nodes, probably due to the fact we are using SSL and not standard HTTP eh? 😉

Ideally I want something as follows:

when HTTP_REQUEST {\n   if { [HTTP::Header exists \"SessionID\"] } {\n      persist uie [HTTP::Header \"SessionID\"]\n}

Before I get flamed, I know the above won't work, but I'm trying to provide some pseudo code to spark this chain.

If there is indeed a way to persist via the SSL SessionID, that would be fantastic. Though it begs me ask the question, would I want to do that? Especially if certian browsers force a refresh on an interval basis, not sure if IE still does this, but rather than risk that, and rather than risk persisting to a node that is failing, I want to force it via JSessionID or some other method.

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1. Persist based on the SSL SessionID

2. Persist based on the JSessionID (tried this, with the above rule, and 50% of the time it bounces between nodes, probably due to the fact we are using SSL and not standard HTTP eh? 😉

Ideally I want something as follows:

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Before I get flamed, I know the above won't work, but I'm trying to provide some pseudo code to spark this chain.

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i would strongly advise against SSL persistence.

SSL persistence is base on the SSL SessionID. The thing is that IE for example (not sure for v7 but it's the case for the earlier versions) will renegociate this SessionID every 2 minutes i.e you'll be load balanced again ><

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The real solution is to base persistence on the JSessionID (for java apps) or php sessionID or whatever cookie is being set.

I was actually able to persist users across 2 different VIP's (one HTTP and one SSL) using the JSessionID in a cookie hash profile and matching that across virtuals. So long as the pool members in each VIP are the same this will work. If they are not it won't work. If they are not than the user will hit 2 different servers one for HTTP and one for HTTPS.

In a clustered environment where true session replication is working, persistence is a really stupid thing to use. No offense to anyone. But in reality so long as the F5 can understand who the primary and secondary cluster replicates are it should be able to load balance to them, if the first goes down it knows who has the session.

mod_jk and proxy plug-in's like weblogic and websphere have this ability built in, which is why many folks choose to use them, however, based on personal experience with the mod_jk it cannot handle extreme load, it ends up bogging down the server. The weblogic proxy-plugin is exteremly efficient...go figure.

At any rate, I digress. If there is a reason to persist to SSL sessions, I would highly suggest offloading SSL to the F5, using server side SSL (if the app requires SSL to run on the servers) and then use a simple Cookie persistence profile that looks for the applications cookie, not the SSL SessionID.

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