ltm snatpool /Common/outgoing_snatpool_v6 {
members {
/Common/ext_SNAT_v6
}
}
... and finally, with the SNAT type set to automap:
vs_pool__snat_type {
value automap
}
The goal is to achieve a single Diameter connection (single source IP, port) between F5 and the external element, while internally multiple Diameter clients connect via F5 to the external element:
However, what ends up happening with this SNAT configuration is that multiple outgoing Diameter connections to the external Diameter element are opened, with the only difference between them being the source port (source IP, destination IP and port remained the same).
The external element cannot handle multiple connections per the same origin IP and the same Diameter entity (internal clients are all configured to use the same Origin-Host during the Capabilities Exchange phase).
Is there a way to configure F5 to funnel all the internal connections into a single outgoing one?
After a lot of back and forth, this is the configuration we ended up implementing on F5 LTM v12.1.3.6, that allowed us to utilize MRF to combine multiple connections into a single outgoing connection.
The connection exits via the SNAT IP. Hope this helps someone.
First, we defined a Virtual Server to which the clients send the Diameter requests:
... and finally, the iRules had to be setup to remove Mandatory flags from some of the AVPs that should not have the mandatory bits (bug?) and to send additional Diameter AVPs:
ltm rule /Common/qux {
when DIAMETER_EGRESS {
switch [DIAMETER::command] {
"257" {
260 Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
258 Auth-Application-Id
266 Vendor-Id
set aaid_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Auth-Application-Id 0 1 0 0 16777264 unsigned32]
set vid_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Vendor-Id 0 1 0 0 10415 unsigned32]
DIAMETER::avp append is not designed to create nested avp (ID371630)
set grouped_avp [DIAMETER::avp append Auth-Application-Id $aaid_avp source $vid_avp]
set grouped_avp ${vid_avp}${aaid_avp}
set vsa_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Vendor-Specific-Application-Id 0 1 0 0 $grouped_avp grouped]
DIAMETER::avp delete Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
DIAMETER::avp insert Vendor-Specific-Application-Id $vsa_avp
if { [DIAMETER::is_request] } {
DIAMETER::avp mflag set Product-Name 0
DIAMETER::avp mflag set Firmware-Revision 0
}
}
default {
do something
}
}
}
}
Not sure i fully understand the scenarios which you described; however If you use standard virtual server, its a full-proxy architecture, so it will maintain two separate TCP connections between client-side and server-side. In your case if you have multiple clients they all individually initiate capability exchange with bigip, and bigip initiate separate capability exchange with server (in this process bigip send its own Origin-Host in the CER) when first message receive from client.
The idea would be to take all these internal Diameter clients making outgoing Diameter connections, and funnel them through a single outgoing TCP connection.
The internal Diameter clients are using SNAT currently when establishing an outgoing connection, and that results in the same originating connection IP, but different ports, and therefore multiple connections.
So, the solution we'd need would combine all these different outgoing connections in a single TCP connection, but through it, multiple Diameter CERs would flow.
Proxying CER/CEA is against RFC (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6733section-5.3) and let me rephrase the full-proxy architecture, as i mentioned in my previous comment, proxy will maintain two separate connections for client and server (let assume your internal diameter element is a client side and external diameter element is a server side). So all your internal clients establish individual connection towards bigip, and bigip establish separate connection towards the external server, and these connections remain forever (unless some other issues terminated the connection). Diameter is not like other protocols (example HTTP, request & response and close the connection), it has a mechanism to send Watch-Dogs if the connection is idle and that's maintain the connections between diameter elements.
Hope the above clarifies, you dont need something like send all CER's from your internal element to proxy to your external element and again it violate RFC. why because the proxy(bigip) is sitting in between and maintain the connections separately and route the message based on routes.
... we are still seeing multiple outgoing TCP connections being brought up. In essence, there's no pooling of internal connections into a single outgoing one being done.
Each new outgoing TCP connection uses the SNAT IP, but a different port.
I've configure a simple setup based on diameter message routing on a 13.1 LTM.
I should be as generic as possible to achieve the setup nejasmicz requested.
What it does:
CER/CEA went well between client an F5
F5 selects server (10.10.10.1) from correct pool
F5 does correct SNAT: source is 10.10.10.10 towards server
What's wrong:
the CER to server F5 seems to ignore the parameters I've defined in "profile_diam_message_routing" to be used for CER.
In v13 these Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are supported, which is mandatory for our usecase.
The static route does intentionally matches all Application IDs, Origin Realms and Desitination Realms to forward all incoming Diameter traffic (to 1.1.1.1:3868) regardless of its AVPs to the peer node (10.10.10.2).
Why are these parameters not evaluated in the CER towards my server node but instead Origin-host is set to "; and Product-Name is "F5 Bigip" - is it something blueprint? Furthermore my Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are ignored completely.
Had anyone experience in configuring message routing for diameter and could point out what went wrong?
After a lot of back and forth, this is the configuration we ended up implementing on F5 LTM v12.1.3.6, that allowed us to utilize MRF to combine multiple connections into a single outgoing connection.
The connection exits via the SNAT IP. Hope this helps someone.
First, we defined a Virtual Server to which the clients send the Diameter requests:
... and finally, the iRules had to be setup to remove Mandatory flags from some of the AVPs that should not have the mandatory bits (bug?) and to send additional Diameter AVPs:
ltm rule /Common/qux {
when DIAMETER_EGRESS {
switch [DIAMETER::command] {
"257" {
260 Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
258 Auth-Application-Id
266 Vendor-Id
set aaid_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Auth-Application-Id 0 1 0 0 16777264 unsigned32]
set vid_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Vendor-Id 0 1 0 0 10415 unsigned32]
DIAMETER::avp append is not designed to create nested avp (ID371630)
set grouped_avp [DIAMETER::avp append Auth-Application-Id $aaid_avp source $vid_avp]
set grouped_avp ${vid_avp}${aaid_avp}
set vsa_avp [DIAMETER::avp create Vendor-Specific-Application-Id 0 1 0 0 $grouped_avp grouped]
DIAMETER::avp delete Vendor-Specific-Application-Id
DIAMETER::avp insert Vendor-Specific-Application-Id $vsa_avp
if { [DIAMETER::is_request] } {
DIAMETER::avp mflag set Product-Name 0
DIAMETER::avp mflag set Firmware-Revision 0
}
}
default {
do something
}
}
}
}
ltm snatpool /Common/outgoing_snatpool_v6 {\n members {\n /Common/ext_SNAT_v6\n }\n}\n
\n\n
... and finally, with the SNAT type set to automap:
\n
vs_pool__snat_type {\n value automap\n } \n
\n\n
The goal is to achieve a single Diameter connection (single source IP, port) between F5 and the external element, while internally multiple Diameter clients connect via F5 to the external element:
\n
\n
However, what ends up happening with this SNAT configuration is that multiple outgoing Diameter connections to the external Diameter element are opened, with the only difference between them being the source port (source IP, destination IP and port remained the same).
\n
The external element cannot handle multiple connections per the same origin IP and the same Diameter entity (internal clients are all configured to use the same Origin-Host during the Capabilities Exchange phase).
\n
Is there a way to configure F5 to funnel all the internal connections into a single outgoing one?
\nltm snatpool /Common/outgoing_snatpool_v6 {\n members {\n /Common/ext_SNAT_v6\n }\n}\n\n\n
... and finally, with the SNAT type set to automap:
\n vs_pool__snat_type {\n value automap\n } \n\n\n
The goal is to achieve a single Diameter connection (single source IP, port) between F5 and the external element, while internally multiple Diameter clients connect via F5 to the external element:
\n
\n
However, what ends up happening with this SNAT configuration is that multiple outgoing Diameter connections to the external Diameter element are opened, with the only difference between them being the source port (source IP, destination IP and port remained the same).
\n
The external element cannot handle multiple connections per the same origin IP and the same Diameter entity (internal clients are all configured to use the same Origin-Host during the Capabilities Exchange phase).
\n
Is there a way to configure F5 to funnel all the internal connections into a single outgoing one?
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Not sure i fully understand the scenarios which you described; however If you use standard virtual server, its a full-proxy architecture, so it will maintain two separate TCP connections between client-side and server-side. In your case if you have multiple clients they all individually initiate capability exchange with bigip, and bigip initiate separate capability exchange with server (in this process bigip send its own Origin-Host in the CER) when first message receive from client.
Not sure i fully understand the scenarios which you described; however If you use standard virtual server, its a full-proxy architecture, so it will maintain two separate TCP connections between client-side and server-side. In your case if you have multiple clients they all individually initiate capability exchange with bigip, and bigip initiate separate capability exchange with server (in this process bigip send its own Origin-Host in the CER) when first message receive from client.
The idea would be to take all these internal Diameter clients making outgoing Diameter connections, and funnel them through a single outgoing TCP connection.
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The internal Diameter clients are using SNAT currently when establishing an outgoing connection, and that results in the same originating connection IP, but different ports, and therefore multiple connections.
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So, the solution we'd need would combine all these different outgoing connections in a single TCP connection, but through it, multiple Diameter CERs would flow.
The idea would be to take all these internal Diameter clients making outgoing Diameter connections, and funnel them through a single outgoing TCP connection.
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The internal Diameter clients are using SNAT currently when establishing an outgoing connection, and that results in the same originating connection IP, but different ports, and therefore multiple connections.
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So, the solution we'd need would combine all these different outgoing connections in a single TCP connection, but through it, multiple Diameter CERs would flow.
Proxying CER/CEA is against RFC (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6733section-5.3) and let me rephrase the full-proxy architecture, as i mentioned in my previous comment, proxy will maintain two separate connections for client and server (let assume your internal diameter element is a client side and external diameter element is a server side). So all your internal clients establish individual connection towards bigip, and bigip establish separate connection towards the external server, and these connections remain forever (unless some other issues terminated the connection). Diameter is not like other protocols (example HTTP, request & response and close the connection), it has a mechanism to send Watch-Dogs if the connection is idle and that's maintain the connections between diameter elements.
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Hope the above clarifies, you dont need something like send all CER's from your internal element to proxy to your external element and again it violate RFC. why because the proxy(bigip) is sitting in between and maintain the connections separately and route the message based on routes.
Proxying CER/CEA is against RFC (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6733section-5.3) and let me rephrase the full-proxy architecture, as i mentioned in my previous comment, proxy will maintain two separate connections for client and server (let assume your internal diameter element is a client side and external diameter element is a server side). So all your internal clients establish individual connection towards bigip, and bigip establish separate connection towards the external server, and these connections remain forever (unless some other issues terminated the connection). Diameter is not like other protocols (example HTTP, request & response and close the connection), it has a mechanism to send Watch-Dogs if the connection is idle and that's maintain the connections between diameter elements.
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Hope the above clarifies, you dont need something like send all CER's from your internal element to proxy to your external element and again it violate RFC. why because the proxy(bigip) is sitting in between and maintain the connections separately and route the message based on routes.
... we are still seeing multiple outgoing TCP connections being brought up. In essence, there's no pooling of internal connections into a single outgoing one being done.\nEach new outgoing TCP connection uses the SNAT IP, but a different port.
... we are still seeing multiple outgoing TCP connections being brought up. In essence, there's no pooling of internal connections into a single outgoing one being done.\nEach new outgoing TCP connection uses the SNAT IP, but a different port.
Note: You can use a vendor-specific vendor-id, auth-application-id, or acct-application-id
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However, I couldn't find a place to configure Vendor-Specific-Application-Id (needed for some of the interfaces), but just Application-Id.\nIs there a way to configure F5 to send the Vendor-Specific-Application-Id?
I've configure a simple setup based on diameter message routing on a 13.1 LTM.\nI should be as generic as possible to achieve the setup nejasmicz requested.
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What it does: \n
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CER/CEA went well between client an F5
F5 selects server (10.10.10.1) from correct pool
F5 does correct SNAT: source is 10.10.10.10 towards server
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What's wrong: \n
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the CER to server F5 seems to ignore the parameters I've defined in \"profile_diam_message_routing\" to be used for CER.
\nIn v13 these Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are supported, which is mandatory for our usecase.
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The static route does intentionally matches all Application IDs, Origin Realms and Desitination Realms to forward all incoming Diameter traffic (to 1.1.1.1:3868) regardless of its AVPs to the peer node (10.10.10.2).
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Why are these parameters not evaluated in the CER towards my server node but instead Origin-host is set to \"; and Product-Name is \"F5 Bigip\" - is it something blueprint? Furthermore my Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are ignored completely. \n
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Had anyone experience in configuring message routing for diameter and could point out what went wrong?
I've configure a simple setup based on diameter message routing on a 13.1 LTM.\nI should be as generic as possible to achieve the setup nejasmicz requested.
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What it does: \n
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CER/CEA went well between client an F5
F5 selects server (10.10.10.1) from correct pool
F5 does correct SNAT: source is 10.10.10.10 towards server
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What's wrong: \n
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the CER to server F5 seems to ignore the parameters I've defined in \"profile_diam_message_routing\" to be used for CER.
\nIn v13 these Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are supported, which is mandatory for our usecase.
\n
The static route does intentionally matches all Application IDs, Origin Realms and Desitination Realms to forward all incoming Diameter traffic (to 1.1.1.1:3868) regardless of its AVPs to the peer node (10.10.10.2).
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Why are these parameters not evaluated in the CER towards my server node but instead Origin-host is set to \"; and Product-Name is \"F5 Bigip\" - is it something blueprint? Furthermore my Vendor-Specific-Application-Ids are ignored completely. \n
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Had anyone experience in configuring message routing for diameter and could point out what went wrong?
After a lot of back and forth, this is the configuration we ended up implementing on F5 LTM v12.1.3.6, that allowed us to utilize MRF to combine multiple connections into a single outgoing connection.\nThe connection exits via the SNAT IP. Hope this helps someone.
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First, we defined a Virtual Server to which the clients send the Diameter requests:
... and finally, the iRules had to be setup to remove Mandatory flags from some of the AVPs that should not have the mandatory bits (bug?) and to send additional Diameter AVPs:
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After a lot of back and forth, this is the configuration we ended up implementing on F5 LTM v12.1.3.6, that allowed us to utilize MRF to combine multiple connections into a single outgoing connection.\nThe connection exits via the SNAT IP. Hope this helps someone.
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First, we defined a Virtual Server to which the clients send the Diameter requests:
... and finally, the iRules had to be setup to remove Mandatory flags from some of the AVPs that should not have the mandatory bits (bug?) and to send additional Diameter AVPs:
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