Hi everyone, I want to protect the company transactional website from L7 DoS/DDoS attacks using the DOS profile. Users access to the website via web browsers and mobile applications. In order to a...
1. How do auto-thresholds work? When you build policy automatically, it understands the traffic, per-URI, and gets an idea of how many PPS, TPS and req/resp sizing of packets and flows. Again.. PER-URI. So the thresholds know if a URI typically has a 5k req. and gets a 500k resp. normally. It will threshold to the peak. If the VIP is variable, it will understand that, as well and ends up thresholding more to the delta between req / resp to understand that a resp could be proportionately larger as per the difference between the smallest respones and the peak.
2. I would not recommend that you use one policy for mobile and browser based. Maybe one VIP, but you should definitely select policy based on EUD.
3. You would do it either way. Can you show me the screen where you're mitigating DoS with CAPTCHA? You're talking about AFM as though it's a WAF. Are you using AFM or AWAF (ASM)?
4. It considers that threshold as whatever you set it to.
Quick thing.. DoS profiles usually work to defend against UDP / TCP / packets.
L7 is not done with a DoS profile unless you're doing DPI.. which is disctinctly NOT WAF.
Please just tell me what you want to do.. zIt sounds like you need AWAF, not AFM.
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Hi everyone,
I want to protect the company transactional website from L7 DoS/DDoS attacks using the DOS profile.
Users access to the website via web browsers and mobile applications.
In order to avoid false positives and unwanted service cut, I have gone through the official documentation, I will use the automatic Thresholds mode and I will run the profile on the transparent mode for 7 days, but I still have some technical questions :
When setting up either transaction-based or stress-based DoS protection, the mitigation methods are the JavaScript challenges or the CAPTCHA challenges, which are not compatible with mobile applications, thus the only mitigation method that can work is the rate limit :
In case of Thresholds Mode set to automatic, how does rate limit work? is there a difference between the rate limit mechanism used for transaction-based and stress-based DoS protection? it Will not impact the mobile application users experience?
knowing that the same VS is used for both user access types (browsers and mobile application), which scenario do you recommend:
S1: Use only the rate limit as mitigation method.
S2: configure a Irule to disable DOS profile for mobile application (using User agent string matching), and apply the 3 mitigation methods available for the browsers access.
Suppose the CAPTCHA is configured as a mitigation method, when a DoS/DDoS attack is detected and the mitigation is launched, is the WAF going to present the CAPTCH for all users or only for those who are suspicious? in this case is there difference between transaction-based and stress-based?
The WAF is based on the access history to identify the number of TPS expected at a given moment
what is the % thresholds from which the WAF considers a traffic as a DDoS attack, for example if the expected TPS is 100, what should be the reel received TPS to consider it as a attach (120 TPS, 140 TPS, …) ?
I want to protect the company transactional website from L7 DoS/DDoS attacks using the DOS profile.
Users access to the website via web browsers and mobile applications.
In order to avoid false positives and unwanted service cut, I have gone through the official documentation, I will use the automatic Thresholds mode and I will run the profile on the transparent mode for 7 days, but I still have some technical questions :
When setting up either transaction-based or stress-based DoS protection, the mitigation methods are the JavaScript challenges or the CAPTCHA challenges, which are not compatible with mobile applications, thus the only mitigation method that can work is the rate limit :
In case of Thresholds Mode set to automatic, how does rate limit work? is there a difference between the rate limit mechanism used for transaction-based and stress-based DoS protection? it Will not impact the mobile application users experience?
knowing that the same VS is used for both user access types (browsers and mobile application), which scenario do you recommend:
S1: Use only the rate limit as mitigation method.
S2: configure a Irule to disable DOS profile for mobile application (using User agent string matching), and apply the 3 mitigation methods available for the browsers access.
Suppose the CAPTCHA is configured as a mitigation method, when a DoS/DDoS attack is detected and the mitigation is launched, is the WAF going to present the CAPTCH for all users or only for those who are suspicious? in this case is there difference between transaction-based and stress-based?
The WAF is based on the access history to identify the number of TPS expected at a given moment
what is the % thresholds from which the WAF considers a traffic as a DDoS attack, for example if the expected TPS is 100, what should be the reel received TPS to consider it as a attach (120 TPS, 140 TPS, …) ?
Thanks
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So many questions at once. :-). Let me try..
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1. How do auto-thresholds work? When you build policy automatically, it understands the traffic, per-URI, and gets an idea of how many PPS, TPS and req/resp sizing of packets and flows. Again.. PER-URI. So the thresholds know if a URI typically has a 5k req. and gets a 500k resp. normally. It will threshold to the peak. If the VIP is variable, it will understand that, as well and ends up thresholding more to the delta between req / resp to understand that a resp could be proportionately larger as per the difference between the smallest respones and the peak.
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2. I would not recommend that you use one policy for mobile and browser based. Maybe one VIP, but you should definitely select policy based on EUD.
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3. You would do it either way. Can you show me the screen where you're mitigating DoS with CAPTCHA? You're talking about AFM as though it's a WAF. Are you using AFM or AWAF (ASM)?
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4. It considers that threshold as whatever you set it to.
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Quick thing.. DoS profiles usually work to defend against UDP / TCP / packets.
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L7 is not done with a DoS profile unless you're doing DPI.. which is disctinctly NOT WAF.
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Please just tell me what you want to do.. zIt sounds like you need AWAF, not AFM.
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So many questions at once. :-). Let me try..
\n
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1. How do auto-thresholds work? When you build policy automatically, it understands the traffic, per-URI, and gets an idea of how many PPS, TPS and req/resp sizing of packets and flows. Again.. PER-URI. So the thresholds know if a URI typically has a 5k req. and gets a 500k resp. normally. It will threshold to the peak. If the VIP is variable, it will understand that, as well and ends up thresholding more to the delta between req / resp to understand that a resp could be proportionately larger as per the difference between the smallest respones and the peak.
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2. I would not recommend that you use one policy for mobile and browser based. Maybe one VIP, but you should definitely select policy based on EUD.
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3. You would do it either way. Can you show me the screen where you're mitigating DoS with CAPTCHA? You're talking about AFM as though it's a WAF. Are you using AFM or AWAF (ASM)?
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4. It considers that threshold as whatever you set it to.
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Quick thing.. DoS profiles usually work to defend against UDP / TCP / packets.
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L7 is not done with a DoS profile unless you're doing DPI.. which is disctinctly NOT WAF.
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Please just tell me what you want to do.. zIt sounds like you need AWAF, not AFM.
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Hi,
Have you tried to use istats to store the counter?
This is the only way I can see now.
e.g.
#!/bin/sh\n \n#\n# these arguments supplied automatically for all external pingers:\n# $1 = IP (::ffff:nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn notation or hostname)\n# $2 = port (decimal, host byte order)\n# $3 and higher = additional arguments\n#\n# $MONITOR_NAME = name of the monitor\n#\n# In this sample script, $3 is the regular expression\n#\n \n# Name of the pidfile\npidfile=\"/var/run/$MONITOR_NAME.$1..$2.pid\"\n \n# Send signal to the process group to kill our former self and any children\n# as external monitors are run with SIGHUP blocked\nif [ -f $pidfile ]\nthen\n kill -9 -`cat $pidfile` > /dev/null 2>&1\nfi\n \necho \"$$\" > $pidfile\n \n# Remove the IPv6/IPv4 compatibility prefix\nnode_ip=`echo $1 | sed 's/::ffff://'`\nport=$2\n \n# Define istats key to store values\n# Each node has a unique counter\nistats_key=\"ltm.monitor ${node_ip}_${port} counter msgID\"\n \n# Increase value on node counter\nistats incr \"$istats_key\" 1\n# Get the current counter value\nvalue=`istats get \"$istats_key\"`\n \n# Keeping value between 1 and 9999 (4 digits)\nif [[ $value -eq 0 || $value -gt 9999 ]]; then\n value=1\n istats set \"$istats_key\" $value\nfi\n \n# Using the nc utility to get data from the server. \n# Search the data received for the expected expression\necho '011101<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"><abc>XXX</abc><MsgID>'$(printf \"%04d\" $value)'</MsgID>' | /usr/bin/nc $node_ip $port 2> /dev/null | grep -E -i $3 > /dev/null\n \nstatus=$?\nif [ $status -eq 0 ]\nthen\n # Remove the pidfile before the script echoes anything to stdout and is killed by bigd\n rm -f $pidfile\n echo \"up\"\nfi\n \n# Remove the pidfile before the script ends\nrm -f $pidfile
I hope it helps.
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Hi,
Have you tried to use istats to store the counter?
This is the only way I can see now.
e.g.
#!/bin/sh\n \n#\n# these arguments supplied automatically for all external pingers:\n# $1 = IP (::ffff:nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn notation or hostname)\n# $2 = port (decimal, host byte order)\n# $3 and higher = additional arguments\n#\n# $MONITOR_NAME = name of the monitor\n#\n# In this sample script, $3 is the regular expression\n#\n \n# Name of the pidfile\npidfile=\"/var/run/$MONITOR_NAME.$1..$2.pid\"\n \n# Send signal to the process group to kill our former self and any children\n# as external monitors are run with SIGHUP blocked\nif [ -f $pidfile ]\nthen\n kill -9 -`cat $pidfile` > /dev/null 2>&1\nfi\n \necho \"$$\" > $pidfile\n \n# Remove the IPv6/IPv4 compatibility prefix\nnode_ip=`echo $1 | sed 's/::ffff://'`\nport=$2\n \n# Define istats key to store values\n# Each node has a unique counter\nistats_key=\"ltm.monitor ${node_ip}_${port} counter msgID\"\n \n# Increase value on node counter\nistats incr \"$istats_key\" 1\n# Get the current counter value\nvalue=`istats get \"$istats_key\"`\n \n# Keeping value between 1 and 9999 (4 digits)\nif [[ $value -eq 0 || $value -gt 9999 ]]; then\n value=1\n istats set \"$istats_key\" $value\nfi\n \n# Using the nc utility to get data from the server. \n# Search the data received for the expected expression\necho '011101<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"UTF-8\"><abc>XXX</abc><MsgID>'$(printf \"%04d\" $value)'</MsgID>' | /usr/bin/nc $node_ip $port 2> /dev/null | grep -E -i $3 > /dev/null\n \nstatus=$?\nif [ $status -eq 0 ]\nthen\n # Remove the pidfile before the script echoes anything to stdout and is killed by bigd\n rm -f $pidfile\n echo \"up\"\nfi\n \n# Remove the pidfile before the script ends\nrm -f $pidfile
I hope it helps.
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if the member is ok，it will replay “000000”，How add this to my external monitor
if the member is ok，it will replay “000000”，How add this to my external monitor
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Well,
In this monitor example, you should use the arguments to pass the value.
e.g.
I suggest you to adapt the script the way you feel comfortable.
In this monitor example, you should use the arguments to pass the value.
e.g.
I suggest you to adapt the script the way you feel comfortable.
The goal here is a way to store a count variable.
Regards.
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Sorry, I just saw it today, you may misunderstand what I mean. F5 does not need to send the parameters of 000000 to the server. When f5 sends the probe, if the server receives the impact message of 000000 , that is, the server replies 000000 to F5, the server is considered normal.
Sorry, I just saw it today, you may misunderstand what I mean. F5 does not need to send the parameters of 000000 to the server. When f5 sends the probe, if the server receives the impact message of 000000 , that is, the server replies 000000 to F5, the server is considered normal.
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Hi, it's OK and I think I got it at first time.
The third and additional argument on script is related to the expected response.
So, the first and second are implicit args because BIG-IP will pass that IP address and port number.
Then, the third and last parameter should be the expected on the replies.
Note:
# $1 = IP (::ffff:nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn notation or hostname)
# $2 = port (decimal, host byte order)
# $3 and higher = additional arguments
# Using the nc utility to get data from the server.
# Search the data received for the expected expression
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