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©2024 F5, Inc. All rights reserved. Good afternoon all. I'm hoping someone on here can point me in the right direction.
I am working on a project to load balance UDP traffic to a few backend nodes for some IOT devices. When the IOT device sends communication to the BIG IP it will be sent to one of the available backend nodes like normal. However, the backend node then needs to respond back to the original IOT device to acknowledge receipt of the communication.
My question is, can this be done with normal SNAT, can the backend node respond back to the SNAT IP:port with the acknowledgement OR will I need to retain the source client IP somehow so I can respond accordingly from the backend node?
If I need to retain the source client ip, how can that be done with UDP?
Unfortunately HTTP is not an option right now.
Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.
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I am working on a project to load balance UDP traffic to a few backend nodes for some IOT devices. When the IOT device sends communication to the BIG IP it will be sent to one of the available backend nodes like normal. However, the backend node then needs to respond back to the original IOT device to acknowledge receipt of the communication.
My question is, can this be done with normal SNAT, can the backend node respond back to the SNAT IP:port with the acknowledgement OR will I need to retain the source client IP somehow so I can respond accordingly from the backend node?
If I need to retain the source client ip, how can that be done with UDP?
Unfortunately HTTP is not an option right now.
Thanks in advance for any assistance provided.
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\nTake a look at K7535: Overview of the UDP profile for more info
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\nTake a look at K7535: Overview of the UDP profile for more info
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\nHowever, you could just skip any form of SNAT:ing on the VIP (disable automap, snat pool etc). Then the packets will reach the node with the original client IP as source. Then let the node answer directly to the server using it's routing table. Since it's UDP it should work fine through firewalls etc as long as there's routing and firewall openings back to the IOT device.
\nJust mind that the routing will be assymetric though which means that packets to and from the node will travel different paths. Some people will find this icky but the smell can be ignored linearly compared to the number of years you've worked in networking. 😂
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\nHowever, you could just skip any form of SNAT:ing on the VIP (disable automap, snat pool etc). Then the packets will reach the node with the original client IP as source. Then let the node answer directly to the server using it's routing table. Since it's UDP it should work fine through firewalls etc as long as there's routing and firewall openings back to the IOT device.
\nJust mind that the routing will be assymetric though which means that packets to and from the node will travel different paths. Some people will find this icky but the smell can be ignored linearly compared to the number of years you've worked in networking. 😂
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