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We have a need to inspect SSL encrypted traffic using an IDS. The one we have doesnt support SSL decryption.
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What we are looking at doing is the following:
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1, Routing all required traffic to our F5
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2, Hanging our IDS off the side of the F5
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3, The F5 will terminate the SSL connection, then forward it to the IDS.
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4, IDS will inspect and the traffic will go back to the F5
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5, The F5 will re-encypt the traffic (if possible) and send it to the destination in a load balanced way.
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Im quite green when it comes to F5 administration. Is it possible to actually do this and any pointers as to how would be really appreciated!!!
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Many thanks
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Al Edgar CEH
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IT Security Specialist
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Paymark Ltd","body@stringLength":"1094","rawBody":"Hi All,
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We have a need to inspect SSL encrypted traffic using an IDS. The one we have doesnt support SSL decryption.
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What we are looking at doing is the following:
\n
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1, Routing all required traffic to our F5
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2, Hanging our IDS off the side of the F5
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3, The F5 will terminate the SSL connection, then forward it to the IDS.
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4, IDS will inspect and the traffic will go back to the F5
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5, The F5 will re-encypt the traffic (if possible) and send it to the destination in a load balanced way.
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Im quite green when it comes to F5 administration. Is it possible to actually do this and any pointers as to how would be really appreciated!!!
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Many thanks
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Al Edgar CEH
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IT Security Specialist
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Paymark Ltd","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2009-11-12T12:03:02.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuNHwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:config","text":"config","time":"2022-01-24T02:29:45.173-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}},{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuNHwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDI","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:design","text":"design","time":"2022-01-24T02:29:45.172-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:225138_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":737},"read":false,"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Hi All, \n \n We have a need to inspect SSL encrypted traffic using an IDS. 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Jumping in on this thread... as the above is exactly what I want to acheive. I want to be able to inspect the decrypted SSL traffic with a traditional PASSIVE IDS, prior to it bein rencrypted to the back end server.
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As far as I understnd Cloning and Interface Mirroring... Interface Mirroring simply sends all Server and Client traffic which hits a certain port out of another port, fine for passive IDS, but no good as the traffic is still encrypted. Then there's cloning, which sends either client or server side to an IP address, which again is no good as the traffic is still encrypted, and the IDS doesn't have an IP address anyway.
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So can this be done? Effectivly send the traffic to IDS, decrypted, prior to any traffic management decission having taken place?
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Thanks
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Phil","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"213","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2009-11-25T06:08:27.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2009-11-25T06:08:27.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":631},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:225141":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:225141","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:225141":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:29768"},"id":"message:225141","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:225138/message:225141","revisionNum":1,"uid":225141,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:225138"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:225138"},"subject":"Re: SSL decryption to IDS","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:225141"},"body":"Hi Phil,
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I'm not sure there is a way to send decrypted traffic to an IDS if the VIP uses a server SSL profile. You might try opening a case with F5 Support to check this. If you get an answer, could you reply here?
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Thanks,
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Aaron","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"213","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2009-11-27T00:15:53.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2009-11-27T00:15:53.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":640},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:13070":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:13070","uid":13070,"login":"Snowman_108161","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-04-30T01:00:00.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=0"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:zihoc95639/user:13070"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:225142":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:225142","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:225142":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:13070"},"id":"message:225142","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:225138/message:225142","revisionNum":1,"uid":225142,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:225138"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:225138"},"subject":"Re: SSL decryption to IDS","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:225142"},"body":"So any update on this? I'm looking to do the exact same thing for a DLP sensor for our OWA and ActiveSync virtual servers","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"121","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2012-06-27T14:17:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2012-06-27T14:17:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":636},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:851":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:851","uid":851,"login":"Brent_10074","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-07-12T01:00:00.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=0"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:zihoc95639/user:851"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:225143":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:225143","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:225143":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:851"},"id":"message:225143","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:225138/message:225143","revisionNum":1,"uid":225143,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:225138"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:225138"},"subject":"Re: SSL decryption to IDS","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:225143"},"body":"This is possible.. I just did a similar thing at a customer site not so long ago. You'll need two route domains, one externally facing and one internally facing. The external route-domain has a VS with the client-ssl profile to decrypt the packet. This virtual server is tied to a pool with a member that is the IP address of a second VS that exists on the Internal route-domain. The VS on the Internal side has no client-ssl profile, but has a server SSL profile (if you want to re-encrypt..) and is tied to a pool of the resource that you'd actually like to hit.
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As an example, external route-domain would be defined at %10 and your internal route-domain would be %20. External IP 192.168.10.10 and the Internal networks would be in the 10.10.10.0/24 space. Using these networks and route domains, you'd have something like:
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external_vs - 192.168.10.10%10 on port 443
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external_pool - 10.10.10.100%10 on port 80
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internal_pool - 10.10.10.50%20 on port 443
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Doing something like that and putting an L2 IPS/IDP/packet counter sniffer thingy on the wire between the External_pool and the Internal_vs, you end up getting a good solid look at anything that might pass through.
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Couple of notes:
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- SNAT is your friend.
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- By using overlapping space between internal/external route domains, you save yourself some routing work. It could certainly be accomplished using separate networks, but your routing table gets a little more complex.
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- I'm writing this from memory, so I'm certain I've forgotten some critical detail that will make this fail. :-) I'll try to monitor this post and lend a hand as time permits.
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Good luck.
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-brent","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2012-06-27T16:27:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2012-06-27T16:27:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":593},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:225144":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:225144","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:225144":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:51154"},"id":"message:225144","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:225138/message:225144","revisionNum":1,"uid":225144,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:225138"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:225138"},"subject":"Re: SSL decryption to IDS","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:225144"},"body":"I wrote this solution up and released as a tech tip:
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