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Altostratus

Mar 03, 2021

How to make outbound traffic to flow through an F5

Hello, We have an F5 LTM that front our backend middleware server-pair in a HA setup. So F5 serves as a LB that forward incoming traffic to the active one. But we also need the backend server...

Nimbostratus

Jun 10, 2011

Thanks Jason. I think I nailed down the caching problem. I am not 100% sure but it appears it was a mix of browser settings and "persistent" policy settings for the LB. They were both related to cookies issues. Now it appears that when a server is down (or taken offline from the pool) now the browser gets redirected to the "surviving" one.

I am still wondering about being able to refresh the browser and circle between the two web servers within that session (I can swear I have seen this happening in other demos) EVEN THOUGH the ap idea was excellent and it may give a much better real-life tasting of what happens when you have thousands of connections! You can then monitor the statistics of the node to show how the connections have been balanced! Thanks!

Massimo.

Mohamed_Ahmed_Kansoh
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Nov 28, 2022
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Hi LanceLyons ,
No issues from F5 perspective as ( irules , loadbalancing and persistence shouldn’t be impacted ) because F5 interested in decrypting traffic that coming from client-side to deal with http payload decrypted.

> when you configure server ssl or ssl bridging you re-encrypt traffic again and directs it web servers encrypted , F5 hasn’t issues in this scenario , you need only to check the server itself , if it affords the process of decryption again as you know in " ssl offloading " you let F5 to be the only hop which performs decryption and offloads servers to do this exhausting task.

> usually I performs " SSL bridging (configure client and server ssl profiles )" with our customers , and we have not faced any issues regarding server ssl to re-encrypt traffic again.

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  Thanks Mohamed,
  
  Have you all noticed any performance degradation to heavily used websites from an end user perspective with the decryption at f5 and reencrypt at f5?
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    LanceLyons ,
    No , I performs ssl bridging for high traffic virtual servers , these virtual servers serves public services over internet for ISPs and there is no issues regarding it server-ssl or re-encrypting traffic towards web-servers.
    
    > I always offer them not to do this to lighweight the headache on webservers.
    
    > to be sure , cofigure it and monitor your CPU periodically.
    
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Kai_Wilke
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Hi Lance,

the performance impact is hard to guess.

We would need to get more details what "high traffic" means.

When it comes to SSL encryption its also important to understand if your "high traffic" means a couple long living session with high troughput or high connection setup rates with short living session with little troughput. Bandwidth is most likelynnot killing your CPU, key exchanges are a different story...

Its also important to know if you use one of the bigger F5 appliances including SSL-Offloading cards, or if you use lets say LTM-VE units on an slightly overbooked hypervisor.

Beside of this deep analytical and sometime esoterical approach, we could just try to listen to our guts. If lets say your CPU is right now on 20% with single-sided SSL encryption, you will most likely not end having 40% after enabling it... It would be just slighly above 20%... On the other hand if your CPU peeks already at 70% you are probably shredd your LTM if you going to put even more load on your CPU.

I assume your RPS graph is not 24/7 a constant line. So how about just testing server-side SSL in non-peek hours? Real world performance data is probably better than any mild guesses...

HTH and Cheers, Kai
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Hello LanceLyons , Kai_Wilke provided a full list what can cause you such issues and if this helped please mark his reply as a solution. Outside of that if you are using a hardware device maybe see if hardware ssl ciphers are used for better performance as mentioned in https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K75983426 / https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K50459385 / https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K13213 and the /var/log/ltm if you are hitting some license limit for example.

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Scenario:

Subnet 192.168.100.0/24 (default gateway 192.168.100.150) with a couple of web server: 192.168.100.161 / 162

On the same subnet I have configured the \"internal\" leg of the BIG IP (VE) device: 192.168.100.151

Configuration:

I have configured a virtual IP (192.168.100.160) that points with the Round Robin algorithm to the two web srvs (161 / 162). I have used all the defaults and I have created the config multiple times both using the out-of-the-box \"generic HTTP\" template as well as creating the pool of srv and assigning that pool to a virtual IP that I have created manually.

Objective:

Being able to connect from an external machine (either on the same subnet or on another subnet) to the IP 192.168.100.160 and being balanced to 161 and 162 alternatively refreshing the browser.

I noted however that the when I browse 160 i land on one of the two servers and despite the refresh I continue to be addressed to the same host (i.e. no round robin). That made me think there was some level of stickiness in the default cfg. However when I shutdown the server I am balanced to the browser continue to show the (static) web page of the server I turned off. This makes me think there may be also some level of caching for static content (I am using a very basic html static page).

So my question is: is there anything that needs to be tweaked to configure the BIGIP so that it balances refreshing the browser on the same client (no stickiness) and even more importantly that redirects me to the other server when the one I am balanced to goes down (no caching)?

Thanks.

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Scenario:

Subnet 192.168.100.0/24 (default gateway 192.168.100.150) with a couple of web server: 192.168.100.161 / 162

On the same subnet I have configured the \"internal\" leg of the BIG IP (VE) device: 192.168.100.151

Configuration:

Objective:

Being able to connect from an external machine (either on the same subnet or on another subnet) to the IP 192.168.100.160 and being balanced to 161 and 162 alternatively refreshing the browser.

Thanks.

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