I have devices, that can only be monitored via "arping" (don't ask, the devices are stupidly designed, some people may call that "secure"). There are several threads here on devcentral covering the use of "arping" in external monitors, but I see a behavior that is not mentioned at all.
At least on my LTMs (running Version 15.1.2.1) arpings will get answered from LTMs own ARP-Cache instead of sending a real request over the network. This can easily be tested by:
Run a tcpdump that filters for arps: tcpdump -nni <vlan> arp
On another console execute an arping: rdexec <rd> arping -c1 -I <vlan> <node-ip>
If there is no ARP-Entry in LTMs ARP-Cache, you will see an arp request with tcpdump. Any subsequent arpings will not be send over the network as long as there is a valid entry in the ARP-Cache (default timeout 5 minutes). The moment you clear the ARP-Cache manually, the next arping will be send over the network again.
This means, that even when the system that you arping is offline (shutdown, no power, you name it), you will still receive successfull arpings until the ARP-Cache entry times out.
Has anyone encountered a simmilar behavoir?
Any idea how I can use arping to reliable determ wether the node is still alive?
I'm trying to implement the arping monitor without success.
I've created a bash file as follows:
#!/bin/bash
IP=$1
INTERFACE="VLAN434" # Use the VLAN name which connect with the endpoint nodes.
arping -c 1 -I $INTERFACE $IP > /dev/null 2>&1
if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
echo "UP"
exit 0
else
echo "DOWN"
exit 1
fi
I've tested this command locally an work fine, but once that I've import the file via "System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List" it appears under monitor section but I cannot apply to a current defined Node..
Once that I create the monitor also I don't know if I've created correctly the monitor, see attached image.
Please, can someone help me with the exact configuration?
Hi, I'm going to reply myself... I've finally have it working like a charm.... changes that I've made:
Monitor definition:
delete all variables previously defined
Arguments: $F5_MONITOR_ADDRESS
Alias Service Port: 1 <---- this is because if you define the node in the pool as "* you cannot assign a monitor which service port is also "*" so you have to define and invented port.
And in System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List:
!/bin/bash
IP=$1
INTERFACE="VLAN_1234" #Statically defined
# clear arp cache table to avoid false positives
tmsh delete /net arp $IP
# execute the command:
RESULT=$(arping -c 1 -w 2 -I $INTERFACE $IP 2>&1)
# evaluate the result
if echo "$RESULT" | grep -q "Received 1 response(s)"; then
echo "UP"
else
fi
And that's all, Iv'e applied the new monitor to the pool definition and the nodes inside the pool inherit the pool monitor.
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Hello fellow F5ers,
I have devices, that can only be monitored via \"arping\" (don't ask, the devices are stupidly designed, some people may call that \"secure\"). There are several threads here on devcentral covering the use of \"arping\" in external monitors, but I see a behavior that is not mentioned at all.
At least on my LTMs (running Version 15.1.2.1) arpings will get answered from LTMs own ARP-Cache instead of sending a real request over the network. This can easily be tested by:
Run a tcpdump that filters for arps: tcpdump -nni <vlan> arp
On another console execute an arping: rdexec <rd> arping -c1 -I <vlan> <node-ip>
If there is no ARP-Entry in LTMs ARP-Cache, you will see an arp request with tcpdump. Any subsequent arpings will not be send over the network as long as there is a valid entry in the ARP-Cache (default timeout 5 minutes). The moment you clear the ARP-Cache manually, the next arping will be send over the network again.
This means, that even when the system that you arping is offline (shutdown, no power, you name it), you will still receive successfull arpings until the ARP-Cache entry times out.
Has anyone encountered a simmilar behavoir?
Any idea how I can use arping to reliable determ wether the node is still alive?
Cheers,
Stefan
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Hello fellow F5ers,
I have devices, that can only be monitored via \"arping\" (don't ask, the devices are stupidly designed, some people may call that \"secure\"). There are several threads here on devcentral covering the use of \"arping\" in external monitors, but I see a behavior that is not mentioned at all.
At least on my LTMs (running Version 15.1.2.1) arpings will get answered from LTMs own ARP-Cache instead of sending a real request over the network. This can easily be tested by:
Run a tcpdump that filters for arps: tcpdump -nni <vlan> arp
On another console execute an arping: rdexec <rd> arping -c1 -I <vlan> <node-ip>
If there is no ARP-Entry in LTMs ARP-Cache, you will see an arp request with tcpdump. Any subsequent arpings will not be send over the network as long as there is a valid entry in the ARP-Cache (default timeout 5 minutes). The moment you clear the ARP-Cache manually, the next arping will be send over the network again.
This means, that even when the system that you arping is offline (shutdown, no power, you name it), you will still receive successfull arpings until the ARP-Cache entry times out.
Has anyone encountered a simmilar behavoir?
Any idea how I can use arping to reliable determ wether the node is still alive?
Cheers,
Stefan
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Hello,
I'm trying to implement the arping monitor without success.
I've created a bash file as follows:
#!/bin/bash\nIP=$1\nINTERFACE=\"VLAN434\" # Use the VLAN name which connect with the endpoint nodes.\n \narping -c 1 -I $INTERFACE $IP > /dev/null 2>&1\nif [ $? -eq 0 ]; then\n echo \"UP\"\n exit 0\nelse\n echo \"DOWN\"\n exit 1\nfi
I've tested this command locally an work fine, but once that I've import the file via \"System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List\" it appears under monitor section but I cannot apply to a current defined Node..
Once that I create the monitor also I don't know if I've created correctly the monitor, see attached image.
Please, can someone help me with the exact configuration?
I'm trying to implement the arping monitor without success.
I've created a bash file as follows:
#!/bin/bash\nIP=$1\nINTERFACE=\"VLAN434\" # Use the VLAN name which connect with the endpoint nodes.\n \narping -c 1 -I $INTERFACE $IP > /dev/null 2>&1\nif [ $? -eq 0 ]; then\n echo \"UP\"\n exit 0\nelse\n echo \"DOWN\"\n exit 1\nfi
I've tested this command locally an work fine, but once that I've import the file via \"System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List\" it appears under monitor section but I cannot apply to a current defined Node..
Once that I create the monitor also I don't know if I've created correctly the monitor, see attached image.
Please, can someone help me with the exact configuration?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi, I'm going to reply myself... I've finally have it working like a charm.... changes that I've made:
Monitor definition:
delete all variables previously defined
Arguments: $F5_MONITOR_ADDRESS
Alias Service Port: 1 <---- this is because if you define the node in the pool as \"* you cannot assign a monitor which service port is also \"*\" so you have to define and invented port.
And in System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List:
Hi, I'm going to reply myself... I've finally have it working like a charm.... changes that I've made:
Monitor definition:
delete all variables previously defined
Arguments: $F5_MONITOR_ADDRESS
Alias Service Port: 1 <---- this is because if you define the node in the pool as \"* you cannot assign a monitor which service port is also \"*\" so you have to define and invented port.
And in System ›› File Management : External Monitor Program File List:
And that's all, Iv'e applied the new monitor to the pool definition and the nodes inside the pool inherit the pool monitor.
Regards
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hi dude could u pls share url with arping health-monitoring u use? thanks
hi dude could u pls share url with arping health-monitoring u use? thanks
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I will post an answer from F5-Support.
The behavior is \"as designed\"
[...]
Nonetheless after doing some additional information please be noted that Linux
traffic not destined to the management network is picked up and forwarded by
TMM which maintains its own ARP table. As a result there are two arp tables
the TMM one and the Linux host one.
The first time that IP address is being resolved to a MAC address (i.e. when
TMM doesn't know about that IP yet), TMM will send a broadcast ARP request to
the network.
Once TMM becomes aware of where that IP address lives, and while it considers
its entry fresh, TMM will not ask the network again, even if the Linux host
(e.g. arping) is trying to resolve it again.
This is behavior is per design but may lead to unexpected result such as
marking pool member up based on TMM's cached response rather than based on
actual ARP request send out towards the destination server.
Maintaining both ARP tables with the external monitor script (for instance
clearing ARP tables) is generally also not recommended (as tmsh commands such
as clearing arp table is not scalable might consume cause to consume more
CPU/memory resources and may lead to unexpected results for instance when next
instance of the script is executed before end of previous tmsh execution).
As alternative for external monitoring using arping tool - please consider
applying ICMP_gateway monitor (you can strict ICMP traffic in network to
specific IP's only - that belongs to BIgIP's non-floating self-ip and
Nonetheless after doing some additional information please be noted that Linux
traffic not destined to the management network is picked up and forwarded by
TMM which maintains its own ARP table. As a result there are two arp tables
the TMM one and the Linux host one.
The first time that IP address is being resolved to a MAC address (i.e. when
TMM doesn't know about that IP yet), TMM will send a broadcast ARP request to
the network.
Once TMM becomes aware of where that IP address lives, and while it considers
its entry fresh, TMM will not ask the network again, even if the Linux host
(e.g. arping) is trying to resolve it again.
This is behavior is per design but may lead to unexpected result such as
marking pool member up based on TMM's cached response rather than based on
actual ARP request send out towards the destination server.
Maintaining both ARP tables with the external monitor script (for instance
clearing ARP tables) is generally also not recommended (as tmsh commands such
as clearing arp table is not scalable might consume cause to consume more
CPU/memory resources and may lead to unexpected results for instance when next
instance of the script is executed before end of previous tmsh execution).
As alternative for external monitoring using arping tool - please consider
applying ICMP_gateway monitor (you can strict ICMP traffic in network to
specific IP's only - that belongs to BIgIP's non-floating self-ip and
destination pool members).
[...]
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