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Mar 03, 2021

How to make outbound traffic to flow through an F5

Hello, We have an F5 LTM that front our backend middleware server-pair in a HA setup. So F5 serves as a LB that forward incoming traffic to the active one. But we also need the backend server...

Nimbostratus

Mar 30, 2015

I raised a support case with F5 who said that this is due to a bug in the version my F5's were on (11.5.1). the cure is to upgrade to 11.6.0 which I've now done and which has solved the problem.

In the interim (it took a few weeks before I could update for various unrelated reasons), running this command at a bash prompt on the primary forces them back in sync

/usr/bin/tmsh modify cm device-group cluster name devices modify {primary {set-sync-leader } }

As we had a service that is stopped by the administrators daily, I created a cron job to run this command once a day in the early hours of the morning.

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Nov 28, 2022
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Hi LanceLyons ,
No issues from F5 perspective as ( irules , loadbalancing and persistence shouldn’t be impacted ) because F5 interested in decrypting traffic that coming from client-side to deal with http payload decrypted.

> when you configure server ssl or ssl bridging you re-encrypt traffic again and directs it web servers encrypted , F5 hasn’t issues in this scenario , you need only to check the server itself , if it affords the process of decryption again as you know in " ssl offloading " you let F5 to be the only hop which performs decryption and offloads servers to do this exhausting task.

> usually I performs " SSL bridging (configure client and server ssl profiles )" with our customers , and we have not faced any issues regarding server ssl to re-encrypt traffic again.

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  Thanks Mohamed,
  
  Have you all noticed any performance degradation to heavily used websites from an end user perspective with the decryption at f5 and reencrypt at f5?
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    LanceLyons ,
    No , I performs ssl bridging for high traffic virtual servers , these virtual servers serves public services over internet for ISPs and there is no issues regarding it server-ssl or re-encrypting traffic towards web-servers.
    
    > I always offer them not to do this to lighweight the headache on webservers.
    
    > to be sure , cofigure it and monitor your CPU periodically.
    
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Hi Lance,

the performance impact is hard to guess.

We would need to get more details what "high traffic" means.

When it comes to SSL encryption its also important to understand if your "high traffic" means a couple long living session with high troughput or high connection setup rates with short living session with little troughput. Bandwidth is most likelynnot killing your CPU, key exchanges are a different story...

Its also important to know if you use one of the bigger F5 appliances including SSL-Offloading cards, or if you use lets say LTM-VE units on an slightly overbooked hypervisor.

Beside of this deep analytical and sometime esoterical approach, we could just try to listen to our guts. If lets say your CPU is right now on 20% with single-sided SSL encryption, you will most likely not end having 40% after enabling it... It would be just slighly above 20%... On the other hand if your CPU peeks already at 70% you are probably shredd your LTM if you going to put even more load on your CPU.

I assume your RPS graph is not 24/7 a constant line. So how about just testing server-side SSL in non-peek hours? Real world performance data is probably better than any mild guesses...

HTH and Cheers, Kai
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Hello LanceLyons , Kai_Wilke provided a full list what can cause you such issues and if this helped please mark his reply as a solution. Outside of that if you are using a hardware device maybe see if hardware ssl ciphers are used for better performance as mentioned in https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K75983426 / https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K50459385 / https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K13213 and the /var/log/ltm if you are hitting some license limit for example.

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We have two F5 LTM's in a Sync-Failover pair. They're load balancing some critical production services. They are automatically sync'ed and they both say they are in sync. I inherited them a couple of weeks ago with minimal handover from someone who resigned.

We have a number of services and the monitors for these services are set at pool level. There is a variety of monitors, some are built-ins and some are custom.

The primary shows all services and nodes as up. The standby shows some nodes and some complete services as down. Hovering over the red diamond on a 'down' node on the standby gives a message of the form \"Offline(Enabled) {Monitor} failed to connect. Failed to succeed before deadline @ {date}\" . The dates vary between 1 and 5 weeks ago.

I've tried the following to diagnose:

Telnetting from the management interface of the standby to all 'down' services on the relevant port for each service. No problems encountered.
Pinging the 'down' nodes from the management interface of the standby, and its internal and external interfaces. All are successful.

From this I think it's safe to assume that there are no firewall or routing issues.

I've run packet tracing on both the primary and standby LTM's. This shows:

No traffic between the management interface and any node. This is the same on both LTM's.
Conversations between the internal IP address of the primary and all nodes on a regular basis.
Coversations between the internal IP address of the secondary and some of the nodes (the 'up' ones).
No traffic between the internal IP address of the secondary and any of the 'down' nodes

This leads me to think that the monitoring is done via the internal interface and that the secondary has decided not to recheck 'down' nodes.

According to the BIG-IP Local Traffic Manager: Monitors Reference I should be able to enable and disable monitor instances. I thought that doing this might cause the secondary to attempt to contact the down modes. Although I can list the instances of any monitor, I'm not given any way to select the instance and thereby enable/disable it. This is on monitors created before I was given this to support and a test one I've just created.

So, I have several questions:

Is this normal behaviour?
If not, (or even if it is) what happens when there's a failover?
Is there any way of manually forcing the secondary to rescan?

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We have a number of services and the monitors for these services are set at pool level. There is a variety of monitors, some are built-ins and some are custom.

I've tried the following to diagnose:

Telnetting from the management interface of the standby to all 'down' services on the relevant port for each service. No problems encountered.
Pinging the 'down' nodes from the management interface of the standby, and its internal and external interfaces. All are successful.

From this I think it's safe to assume that there are no firewall or routing issues.

I've run packet tracing on both the primary and standby LTM's. This shows:

No traffic between the management interface and any node. This is the same on both LTM's.
Conversations between the internal IP address of the primary and all nodes on a regular basis.
Coversations between the internal IP address of the secondary and some of the nodes (the 'up' ones).
No traffic between the internal IP address of the secondary and any of the 'down' nodes

This leads me to think that the monitoring is done via the internal interface and that the secondary has decided not to recheck 'down' nodes.

So, I have several questions:

Is this normal behaviour?
If not, (or even if it is) what happens when there's a failover?
Is there any way of manually forcing the secondary to rescan?

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I raised a support case with F5 who said that this is due to a bug in the version my F5's were on (11.5.1). the cure is to upgrade to 11.6.0 which I've now done and which has solved the problem.

In the interim (it took a few weeks before I could update for various unrelated reasons), running this command at a bash prompt on the primary forces them back in sync

/usr/bin/tmsh modify cm device-group cluster name devices modify {primary {set-sync-leader } }

As we had a service that is stopped by the administrators daily, I created a cron job to run this command once a day in the early hours of the morning.

Martin S

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I raised a support case with F5 who said that this is due to a bug in the version my F5's were on (11.5.1). the cure is to upgrade to 11.6.0 which I've now done and which has solved the problem.

In the interim (it took a few weeks before I could update for various unrelated reasons), running this command at a bash prompt on the primary forces them back in sync

/usr/bin/tmsh modify cm device-group cluster name devices modify {primary {set-sync-leader } }

As we had a service that is stopped by the administrators daily, I created a cron job to run this command once a day in the early hours of the morning.

Martin S

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