F5 WAF/ASM block users that trigger too many violations by source ip/device id using the correlation logs
Hello to All,
I was thinking of using the iRule tables command to write when a user ip/device id makes too many violations for a time perioud and to get blocked for some time but I see that the F5 ASM has correlation logs that trigger incidents but there is not a lot info if this can be used in iRules or to block user ip addresses / deviceid.
To answer your question regarding the required license - yes, IP I is a subscription feature of AdvWAF. You need to spend money on that one.
For the table command, I don't have a lot experience. Hence I would also not make any suggestion how an iRule could look like.
Interesting question would be: If you block a client based on its source IP for 5 minutes, what will happen if that client makes a new violation after 4:50 minutes? Will the block be released after 5 minutes or after 4:50 + 5 more minutes?
This kind of "business logic" must be solved in all soltions - IP Intelligence feed, BIG-IQ and Ansible.
Instead of using iRule to create this functionality, you can use the session tracking feature in the AWAF module to obtain the same feature.
Session Tracking requires you to define a violation detection period during which it will track the violations based on username, session, device ID and IP address. You can customize the thresholds for each category. Usually, for IP address, it is recommended to set the threshold higher because it can be a natted IP and a whole organisation may be using a single IP to access your services.
Yes but also first using the "ASM::fingerprint" if present as this is more granular and only if there is no Device ID then the source IP address. With the table command I should be able to do something like that but I was wondering if the F5 ASM correlation data and its Incidents can't be used in some way with or without irule for such tasks?
Hello Danie, For the iRule table command there a way when as you say the user makes another violation the tmeout field to be reset in the table and the user's blocking will continie for another 9.5 (4.5 + 5) minutes. I have tested using the sideband function to update the irule table objects from cvs file external server and this way many f5 devices can access a central repository.
For Data groups I think the solution could be to be to use external data groups with external file and the key to be the IP address and the value to be the date when the Ip address was added to the data group and to have another bash script that with a cron job is run every day that checks if there are entries with older than for example than 7 days values and script to remove them from the file.
From what I see and you suggestions I can use the splunk and maybe the correlation logs to create a CVS list of bad ip addresses for the table sideband irule or a file for the external data group and make all the F5 devices to check the central repository when the file was changed by using Ansible, Python SDK, Big-IQ etc. or simple curl bash script if the sideband importer is used as just connecting to the VIP will force the F5 devices to update the table using the CVS file. For everyone that has Ip Intelligence they can also use a custom feed list as you mentioned.
I will share what was the final solution when I get there.
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Hello to All,
I was thinking of using the iRule tables command to write when a user ip/device id makes too many violations for a time perioud and to get blocked for some time but I see that the F5 ASM has correlation logs that trigger incidents but there is not a lot info if this can be used in iRules or to block user ip addresses / deviceid.
https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K92532922
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Hello to All,
I was thinking of using the iRule tables command to write when a user ip/device id makes too many violations for a time perioud and to get blocked for some time but I see that the F5 ASM has correlation logs that trigger incidents but there is not a lot info if this can be used in iRules or to block user ip addresses / deviceid.
https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K92532922
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Instead of using iRule to create this functionality, you can use the session tracking feature in the AWAF module to obtain the same feature.
Session Tracking requires you to define a violation detection period during which it will track the violations based on username, session, device ID and IP address. You can customize the thresholds for each category. Usually, for IP address, it is recommended to set the threshold higher because it can be a natted IP and a whole organisation may be using a single IP to access your services.
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What are you trying to achieve? A way to block a source IP that has caused n ASM violations in x seconds for a specific amount of time on Layer 3?
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Yes but also first using the \"ASM::fingerprint\" if present as this is more granular and only if there is no Device ID then the source IP address. With the table command I should be able to do something like that but I was wondering if the F5 ASM correlation data and its Incidents can't be used in some way with or without irule for such tasks?
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Hello Danie, For the iRule table command there a way when as you say the user makes another violation the tmeout field to be reset in the table and the user's blocking will continie for another 9.5 (4.5 + 5) minutes. I have tested using the sideband function to update the irule table objects from cvs file external server and this way many f5 devices can access a central repository.
For Data groups I think the solution could be to be to use external data groups with external file and the key to be the IP address and the value to be the date when the Ip address was added to the data group and to have another bash script that with a cron job is run every day that checks if there are entries with older than for example than 7 days values and script to remove them from the file.
From what I see and you suggestions I can use the splunk and maybe the correlation logs to create a CVS list of bad ip addresses for the table sideband irule or a file for the external data group and make all the F5 devices to check the central repository when the file was changed by using Ansible, Python SDK, Big-IQ etc. or simple curl bash script if the sideband importer is used as just connecting to the VIP will force the F5 devices to update the table using the CVS file. For everyone that has Ip Intelligence they can also use a custom feed list as you mentioned.
I will share what was the final solution when I get there.
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To answer your question regarding the required license - yes, IP I is a subscription feature of AdvWAF. You need to spend money on that one.
For the table command, I don't have a lot experience. Hence I would also not make any suggestion how an iRule could look like.
Interesting question would be: If you block a client based on its source IP for 5 minutes, what will happen if that client makes a new violation after 4:50 minutes? Will the block be released after 5 minutes or after 4:50 + 5 more minutes?
This kind of \"business logic\" must be solved in all soltions - IP Intelligence feed, BIG-IQ and Ansible.
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