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KellyS_50017
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Nov 11, 2009

http_to_https http profile rule question

Hopefully a super-easy question about the built-in http class profile rule, http_to_https. A client of ours is saying HP's WebInspect is dinging us with a security flaw when it tries to get into areas...
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hoolio
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Nov 11, 2009
Hi Kelly

 

 

If you're only redirecting the client from HTTP to HTTPS using a class or iRule, the request is never going to get to the web app, so no cookie could be set insecurely there. But if a client received a cookie from the app via HTTPS or from any other app on the same domain, they would potentially include the cookies in the request to the HTTP VIP.

 

 

One way to handle this issue is by setting the secure flag on all sensitive cookies when they're sent to the client. This assumes that you never need to get the cookie(s) for HTTP requests. This is one reason to only use HTTPS for web apps which pass sensitive data.

 

 

 

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2109/rfc2109

 

 

Secure

 

Optional. The Secure attribute (with no value) directs the user

 

agent to use only (unspecified) secure means to contact the origin

 

server whenever it sends back this cookie.

 

 

The user agent (possibly under the user's control) may determine

 

what level of security it considers appropriate for "secure"

 

cookies. The Secure attribute should be considered security

 

advice from the server to the user agent, indicating that it is in

 

the session's interest to protect the cookie contents.

 

 

 

 

Aaron
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Their complaint is even though we're asking the client to redirect they are in an https-only area, getting an http response.

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I really didn't think it worked like this. I thought setting up a port 80 listener with the http_to_https http class rule would immediately bounce the client request back with a 302 & the correct url to go to instead. Is WebInspect right or wrong? Are they really getting to us over http, or is WebInspect combining the original http request, the 302 redirect and the results from the 302 redirect?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2009-11-11T08:23:53.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:config","text":"config","time":"2022-01-24T02:29:45.173-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}},{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDI","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:design","text":"design","time":"2022-01-24T02:29:45.172-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:133058_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":256},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"Hopefully a super-easy question about the built-in http class profile rule, http_to_https. A client of ours is saying HP's WebInspect is dinging us with a security flaw when it tries to get into areas we have covered (a virtual server on port 80 with the sole rule of http_to_https) with http_to_https, and it's sort of claiming it's getting through with an http request, to our web server, and the response is over http (with our internal cookie & you can clearly see the F5 cookie) with a 302 status & the https url to go to.

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Their complaint is even though we're asking the client to redirect they are in an https-only area, getting an http response.

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I really didn't think it worked like this. I thought setting up a port 80 listener with the http_to_https http class rule would immediately bounce the client request back with a 302 & the correct url to go to instead. Is WebInspect right or wrong? Are they really getting to us over http, or is WebInspect combining the original http request, the 302 redirect and the results from the 302 redirect?"},"Conversation:conversation:133058":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:133058","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:133058"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2009-11-13T05:49:18.000-08:00","lastPostTime":"2009-11-13T05:49:18.000-08:00","unreadReplyCount":10,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:133058":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:133058","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:133058_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:133058_1","lastEditTime":"2009-11-11T08:23:53.000-08:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:133059":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:133059","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:133058"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:29768"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":133059,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"subject":"Re: http_to_https http profile rule question","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:133059"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:133058"},"body":"Hi Kelly

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If you're only redirecting the client from HTTP to HTTPS using a class or iRule, the request is never going to get to the web app, so no cookie could be set insecurely there. But if a client received a cookie from the app via HTTPS or from any other app on the same domain, they would potentially include the cookies in the request to the HTTP VIP.

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One way to handle this issue is by setting the secure flag on all sensitive cookies when they're sent to the client. This assumes that you never need to get the cookie(s) for HTTP requests. This is one reason to only use HTTPS for web apps which pass sensitive data.

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http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2109/rfc2109

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Secure

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Optional. The Secure attribute (with no value) directs the user

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agent to use only (unspecified) secure means to contact the origin

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server whenever it sends back this cookie.

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The user agent (possibly under the user's control) may determine

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what level of security it considers appropriate for \"secure\"

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cookies. The Secure attribute should be considered security

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advice from the server to the user agent, indicating that it is in

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the session's interest to protect the cookie contents.

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Aaron","body@stringLength":"1708","rawBody":"Hi Kelly

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If you're only redirecting the client from HTTP to HTTPS using a class or iRule, the request is never going to get to the web app, so no cookie could be set insecurely there. But if a client received a cookie from the app via HTTPS or from any other app on the same domain, they would potentially include the cookies in the request to the HTTP VIP.

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One way to handle this issue is by setting the secure flag on all sensitive cookies when they're sent to the client. This assumes that you never need to get the cookie(s) for HTTP requests. This is one reason to only use HTTPS for web apps which pass sensitive data.

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http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2109/rfc2109

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Secure

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Optional. The Secure attribute (with no value) directs the user

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agent to use only (unspecified) secure means to contact the origin

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server whenever it sends back this cookie.

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