That is probably something easy and I have to be missing tiny detail but as for now I am stuck :-(
I need to create something that I think is classic FW NAT. My goal is like that:
Single VIP on BIG-IP
Client connecting to VIP port X is NATed to backend IP Y port X (other option is changing port on backend)
Client connecting to VIP port Y us NATed to backend IP Z port Y, and so on
What I did:
Created PerformanceL4 VS with all ports, no pool, no SNAT, Address and Port Translation checked
Created AFM NAT policy like on image below
Assigned this policy to VS via Security > Policies: Network Address Translation, Policy option (Use Device Policy and Use Route Domain Policy unchecked)
Unfortunately it's not working. When connecting to VIP:887 from client I am getting RST (not immediately, most often after 2-3 SYN retries).
Notice that my NAT policy is reporting hits, so seems that client side part is working but not server side. I can of course ping (and do HTTP connection) to IP:port listed as Translated Destination.
When checking show net rst-cause I can't see any related (at least in my opinion) causes - only increasing counters are:
VIP disabled (administrative)
handshake timeout - that might be related?
There is counter named (FW NAT) dst_trans failed. but it shows 0
Maybe another clue is that client after first SYN is receiving ICMP Host unreachable from BIG-IP floating IP on the VIP VLAN. I can't see as well any traffic on backend side. Even ARP request for Translated IP.
So what I am doing wrong?
Another question is if I need separate AFM Network policy for such VIP - I mean to control allowed destination ports or having just AFM NAT policy is enough (seems that it as well allows to control Source IP so even for that AFM FW policy should not be needed).
In other words if there is incoming traffic to port not defined in AFM NAT policy will it be anyway rejected or not?
I can't as well understand tcpdump on VIP VLAN. After receiving SYN to VIP:887 I can see plenty of ARP request sourced from self IP on the VIP VLAN. Those are not replied.
Why BIG-IP is sending ARP request for VIP on the same BIG-IP?
I don't have much familiarity with AFM i'm afraid, and certainly not the Translation rules. Anyway, the general configuration doesn't look right to me. A Perf L4 server, when it receives its initial SYN packet from the client, will choose a target and send the SYN onto this. This is normally a pool member (see Overview of TCP connection setup for BIG-IP LTM virtual server types). I suspect you're getting a reset, after a few SYNs, because the BIG-IP doesn't have a pool so can't send the packet on. In fact, the ARP requests you are seeing is because without the pool it's acting like a Forwarding IP virtual and wants to send the packet onto the VIP address and the BIG-IP doesn't respond to its own ARP requests (see A local virtual server IP address cannot be used as a pool member
Can you not let the LTM deal with the address translation and just use AFM for firewall policies, i.e. what source addresses are allowed etc.
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Hi,
\n
That is probably something easy and I have to be missing tiny detail but as for now I am stuck :-(
\n
I need to create something that I think is classic FW NAT. My goal is like that:
\n
Single VIP on BIG-IP
Client connecting to VIP port X is NATed to backend IP Y port X (other option is changing port on backend)
Client connecting to VIP port Y us NATed to backend IP Z port Y, and so on
\n
What I did:
\n
Created PerformanceL4 VS with all ports, no pool, no SNAT, Address and Port Translation checked
Created AFM NAT policy like on image below
Assigned this policy to VS via Security > Policies: Network Address Translation, Policy option (Use Device Policy and Use Route Domain Policy unchecked)
\n
\n
Unfortunately it's not working. When connecting to VIP:887 from client I am getting RST (not immediately, most often after 2-3 SYN retries).
\n
Notice that my NAT policy is reporting hits, so seems that client side part is working but not server side. I can of course ping (and do HTTP connection) to IP:port listed as Translated Destination.
\n
When checking show net rst-cause I can't see any related (at least in my opinion) causes - only increasing counters are:
\n
VIP disabled (administrative)
handshake timeout - that might be related?
\n
There is counter named (FW NAT) dst_trans failed. but it shows 0
\n
Maybe another clue is that client after first SYN is receiving ICMP Host unreachable from BIG-IP floating IP on the VIP VLAN. I can't see as well any traffic on backend side. Even ARP request for Translated IP.
\n
So what I am doing wrong?
\n
Another question is if I need separate AFM Network policy for such VIP - I mean to control allowed destination ports or having just AFM NAT policy is enough (seems that it as well allows to control Source IP so even for that AFM FW policy should not be needed).
\n
In other words if there is incoming traffic to port not defined in AFM NAT policy will it be anyway rejected or not?
\n
Piotr
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Hi,
\n
That is probably something easy and I have to be missing tiny detail but as for now I am stuck :-(
\n
I need to create something that I think is classic FW NAT. My goal is like that:
\n
Single VIP on BIG-IP
Client connecting to VIP port X is NATed to backend IP Y port X (other option is changing port on backend)
Client connecting to VIP port Y us NATed to backend IP Z port Y, and so on
\n
What I did:
\n
Created PerformanceL4 VS with all ports, no pool, no SNAT, Address and Port Translation checked
Created AFM NAT policy like on image below
Assigned this policy to VS via Security > Policies: Network Address Translation, Policy option (Use Device Policy and Use Route Domain Policy unchecked)
\n
\n
Unfortunately it's not working. When connecting to VIP:887 from client I am getting RST (not immediately, most often after 2-3 SYN retries).
\n
Notice that my NAT policy is reporting hits, so seems that client side part is working but not server side. I can of course ping (and do HTTP connection) to IP:port listed as Translated Destination.
\n
When checking show net rst-cause I can't see any related (at least in my opinion) causes - only increasing counters are:
\n
VIP disabled (administrative)
handshake timeout - that might be related?
\n
There is counter named (FW NAT) dst_trans failed. but it shows 0
\n
Maybe another clue is that client after first SYN is receiving ICMP Host unreachable from BIG-IP floating IP on the VIP VLAN. I can't see as well any traffic on backend side. Even ARP request for Translated IP.
\n
So what I am doing wrong?
\n
Another question is if I need separate AFM Network policy for such VIP - I mean to control allowed destination ports or having just AFM NAT policy is enough (seems that it as well allows to control Source IP so even for that AFM FW policy should not be needed).
\n
In other words if there is incoming traffic to port not defined in AFM NAT policy will it be anyway rejected or not?
\n
Piotr
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I can't as well understand tcpdump on VIP VLAN. After receiving SYN to VIP:887 I can see plenty of ARP request sourced from self IP on the VIP VLAN. Those are not replied.
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Why BIG-IP is sending ARP request for VIP on the same BIG-IP?
I can't as well understand tcpdump on VIP VLAN. After receiving SYN to VIP:887 I can see plenty of ARP request sourced from self IP on the VIP VLAN. Those are not replied.
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Why BIG-IP is sending ARP request for VIP on the same BIG-IP?
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Hi fellow MVP,
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I don't have much familiarity with AFM i'm afraid, and certainly not the Translation rules. Anyway, the general configuration doesn't look right to me. A Perf L4 server, when it receives its initial SYN packet from the client, will choose a target and send the SYN onto this. This is normally a pool member (see Overview of TCP connection setup for BIG-IP LTM virtual server types). I suspect you're getting a reset, after a few SYNs, because the BIG-IP doesn't have a pool so can't send the packet on. In fact, the ARP requests you are seeing is because without the pool it's acting like a Forwarding IP virtual and wants to send the packet onto the VIP address and the BIG-IP doesn't respond to its own ARP requests (see A local virtual server IP address cannot be used as a pool member
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Can you not let the LTM deal with the address translation and just use AFM for firewall policies, i.e. what source addresses are allowed etc.
I don't have much familiarity with AFM i'm afraid, and certainly not the Translation rules. Anyway, the general configuration doesn't look right to me. A Perf L4 server, when it receives its initial SYN packet from the client, will choose a target and send the SYN onto this. This is normally a pool member (see Overview of TCP connection setup for BIG-IP LTM virtual server types). I suspect you're getting a reset, after a few SYNs, because the BIG-IP doesn't have a pool so can't send the packet on. In fact, the ARP requests you are seeing is because without the pool it's acting like a Forwarding IP virtual and wants to send the packet onto the VIP address and the BIG-IP doesn't respond to its own ARP requests (see A local virtual server IP address cannot be used as a pool member
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Can you not let the LTM deal with the address translation and just use AFM for firewall policies, i.e. what source addresses are allowed etc.
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Hope this helps,
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