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is match across option useful?

sol5837: Match Across options for session persistence

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If \"match across\" option does that, then it is my answer, but I was not able to come to that conclusion reading the description of match across.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-12-13T06:40:59.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-12-13T06:40:59.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":554},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"showMoveIndicator":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"AssociatedImage:{\"url\":\"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/images/cmstMzMtSFNON3o4\"}":{"__typename":"AssociatedImage","url":"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/images/cmstMzMtSFNON3o4","height":0,"width":0,"mimeType":"image/svg+xml"},"Rank:rank:33":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:33","position":10,"name":"Noctilucent","color":"CCCCCC","icon":{"__ref":"AssociatedImage:{\"url\":\"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/images/cmstMzMtSFNON3o4\"}"},"rankStyle":"FILLED"},"User:user:110939":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:110939","uid":110939,"login":"nitass_89166","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-02-03T00:00:00.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.f5.com/t5/s/zihoc95639/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=0"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:33"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:zihoc95639/user:110939"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:76902":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:76902","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:76902":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":76902,"id":"message:76902","entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:Forums/community:zihoc95639board:TechnicalForum/message:76901/message:76902","revisionNum":1,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:110939"},"readOnly":false,"repliesCount":1,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalForum"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:76901"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:76901"},"subject":"Re: Is it possible to pair TCP and UDP streams?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:76902"},"body":"

is match across option useful?

sol5837: Match Across options for session persistence

\nhttps://support.f5.com/kb/en-us/solutions/public/5000/800/sol5837.html

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What I am looking for is a a way to instruct the load balancer to locate a key identifier in the UDP packet, use it to identify an existing TCP stream and direct the UDP packet to the same server.

\n\n

your understanding is absolutely correct. locating key identifier is mandatory for persistence. match across comes in after that.

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What I am looking for is a a way to instruct the load balancer to locate a key identifier in the UDP packet, use it to identify an existing TCP stream and direct the UDP packet to the same server.

\n\n

your understanding is absolutely correct. locating key identifier is mandatory for persistence. match across comes in after that.

e.g.

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