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Hi everyone, I've been trying to get PFS enabled on my LTM (ver 11.4.1) and am running into a blocker. I've tried various cipher string options and have no luck so far. I've also opened a ticket with f5 support and they just point me to various devcentral discussions that don't have the detail I need.

 

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So I guess my question is: what are the cipher options I need to add/remove to enable PFS on a SSL client profile? or is there another way to get PFS going that I am missing?

 

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Thanks!

 

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Hi everyone, I've been trying to get PFS enabled on my LTM (ver 11.4.1) and am running into a blocker. I've tried various cipher string options and have no luck so far. I've also opened a ticket with f5 support and they just point me to various devcentral discussions that don't have the detail I need.

 

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So I guess my question is: what are the cipher options I need to add/remove to enable PFS on a SSL client profile? or is there another way to get PFS going that I am missing?

 

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Thanks!

 

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As of mid-2015, the latest version of TLS is 1.2 and the only ciphers that Chrome considers modern are GCM or CHACHA20_POLY1305.\" \n~~~\n\nI think this is our answer. I don't want to only supply those ciphers. I think that's much, much too narrow. So A) does 11.4.1 support those ciphers (I'll see what I can find in the docs, should be easy to find) and what variables represent them in the cipher suite so I can prefer them (this I'm not so sure how to find)?\n\nEDIT: GCM is supported starting in 11.5.0 so I need to migrate to that (or more likely 11.5.2) before being able to test/resolve this warning. I have some lab VEs i fired up 11.5.2 on. 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As of mid-2015, the latest version of TLS is 1.2 and the only ciphers that Chrome considers modern are GCM or CHACHA20_POLY1305.\" \n~~~\n\nI think this is our answer. I don't want to only supply those ciphers. I think that's much, much too narrow. So A) does 11.4.1 support those ciphers (I'll see what I can find in the docs, should be easy to find) and what variables represent them in the cipher suite so I can prefer them (this I'm not so sure how to find)?\n\nEDIT: GCM is supported starting in 11.5.0 so I need to migrate to that (or more likely 11.5.2) before being able to test/resolve this warning. I have some lab VEs i fired up 11.5.2 on. 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I'm still trying to get SSL Labs to confirm PFS is enabled and am unsuccessful.

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if you want pfs, why don't you specify only ECDHE (e.g. ECDHE)?

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by the way, isn't it clientcipher (clientssl profile)?

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I'm still trying to get SSL Labs to confirm PFS is enabled and am unsuccessful.

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if you want pfs, why don't you specify only ECDHE (e.g. ECDHE)?

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by the way, isn't it clientcipher (clientssl profile)?

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